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Just had a new roof put on a couple of weeks ago. I knew the owner of the company and asked him how it was affecting him. He said not at all because he saw it coming a few years ago and started e-verifing and has no problem getting legal labor. There isn't a shortage of legal immigrants to take the jobs of any illegal immigrants that may be deported in my area. Can't speak for other areas, but business won't stop. They will adapt. Any successful business owner knows that.
You think that deporting 10 million people who make up a tiny portion of the housing demand will make a big difference on that side but won't make a big difference on housing supply where they make up a hugely outsized portion of the workforce?
 
You think that deporting 10 million people who make up a tiny portion of the housing demand will make a big difference on that side but won't make a big difference on housing supply where they make up a hugely outsized portion of the workforce?
Of course he thinks that because he has been fed lies by Bessent, Vance, Trump and Fox saying exactly that. But anyone with half a brain and any knowledge of the housing industry knows that aggressive immigration enforcement efforts will kill housing starts while doing precious little to bring down housing demand.
 
I see it as counterproductive because it makes the task at hand harder than it needs to be or impedes the goal. Yes, many mistakes have been made. A rational person with any perspective understands that the general public doesn't have all the details of what takes place in a given situation so why undertake measures that have the potential to backfire given that the media isn't likely to be on your side. Legally states and cities aren't required to assist ice so why not spend the necessary time to negotiate the cooperation needed to avoid the scenes that have played out. Has any of the chaos helped in achieving the goal? When people like me who support deporting those here illegally go "what the fuck are you doing", then you haven't managed anything to do with it well.

Cruel isn't a word I would use personally though I can understand how people opposed to deportations would go there. I have spent enough time in the business world to know that the vast majority of people want to do their jobs the right way. When they don't it is usually the fault of management which is what I perceive as the majority of the problems with ice. Wrong plan, wrong tone, wrong training, wrong leadership, etc. I'm sure there are a few rogue ice cops who get off on trying to inflict as much harm as possible but as with most jobs those are a very tiny fraction of people. I suspect that your concept of cruelty goes beyond individual cases and includes the intent to deport many of those here illegally.
So it’s a wrong plan but it’s not wrong policy?

I think there are many people who are in favor of deportation yet think what the administration is doing is cruel.

My focus here was what I perceive as the cruelty of how ICE is carrying out the mandate of the administration. My characterization of cruelty, in this regard, is not about deportation itself.
 
Sincere question - How do you reconcile that when faced with American citizens killed by illegal immigrants? Isn't there some consideration for those victims as well? RG and Pretti intentionally involved themselves in a chaotic situation. Pretti's family acknowledged they were fearful for his safety given his radical behavior leading up to his death. The families and victims of those killed by illegal immigrants didn't. That in no way justifies killing RG and Pretti but they are held to a different standard by the left than victims of illegal immigrant crimes. It's hard to argue tragedy on one side and not acknowledge the tragedy on the other.
The illegal immigrants that murder people are arrested and tried for their crimes. The ICE agents that murder people are celebrated as heroes by the MAGATs.
 
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