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Healing said:
“Or….i’ve been busy working and living life. Politics isn’t a religion to conservatives

There it is, conservative bingo! Dude hasn’t posted on political topics since March, but has on sports topics. All of a sudden, very active. What happened? Oh, a successful black woman is plastered all over Fox.
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Wow, a couple of weeks of not posting on political topics - imagine that. I'm heading to the coast this afternoon so I'll not be posting this afternoon/evening just in case you're worried :)

James is about to go down for mortgage fraud. Looks like she declared a residence in VA as her primary residence in order to secure favorable financing. Of course, you are required to be a NY resident in order to serve as NY's AG. Also declared a 5 unit property in NYC was only a 4 unit property, again, to secure better financing rates. Remember, "no one, no matter how powerful, is above the law." "We all have to play by the same rules."

This is going to be fun watching this story develop.
 
PandemicBlue said:
So, here we are....the American taxpayer, both you and me no matter which side of the aisle you're on, after having been pillaged by the American politician to the sum of $36 trillion dollars, on top of all the social services we already provide, in the position of having to take care of millions of indigent illegal immigrants who were welcomed into this country when the border could have been effectively shut down just like it is right now, in an effort to achieve something. And make no mistake, an effort of this magnitude was definitely an effort to achieve a goal.
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:rolleyes: You do realize that undocumented immigrants contributed 25.7 billion dollars to social security in 2022, right? And that most of these individuals will pay into these programs for YEARS and never see any benefit... this creating a net positive on the system.
 
Ramrouser said:
Wow, a couple of weeks of not posting on political topics - imagine that. I'm heading to the coast this afternoon so I'll not be posting this afternoon/evening just in case you're worried :)

James is about to go down for mortgage fraud. Looks like she declared a residence in VA as her primary residence in order to secure favorable financing. Of course, you are required to be a NY resident in order to serve as NY's AG. Also declared a 5 unit property in NYC was only a 4 unit property, again, to secure better financing rates. Remember, "no one, no matter how powerful, is above the law." "We all have to play by the same rules."

This is going to be fun watching this story develop.
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LOL. It's a matter for NY state, not the federal government, if Tish James is living in Virginia and serving as NY AG. And the clause that she signed said she hereby intends to occupy the property as her personal residence did not specify when she intends to do that. Maybe after her time as NY AG is done.

The property was considered 5 unit in 2000. I can tell you from personal experience that the number of units in brownstones or other small buildings in New York is a mutable quality. People tear down a wall and combine two units together -- this happens FREQUENTLY. Also, many old buildings have a basement level that was designed for residential use a century ago, but gets converted into office space. Her building is on Lafayette Avenue, which is near where I used to live and I'm familiar with the area. There are doctor's offices in the first floor of half the old brownstones. In the early 90s, these areas (which include Park Slope, where I lived) were run down, to the point where some areas were called Crackhead Alley. But the buildings were high quality. So a lot of physicians bought the buildings for cheap; live in one of the apartments; run their practice out of the basement; and then rent out a few units.

The idea that there is something suspicious about properties having different numbers of units -- this is a person who either has an axe to grind or just doesn't know NY real estate at all.

The Lafayette St property is also close to the Nets' stadium. Again, I can tell you first hand that the stadium has affected property values in the entire area -- mostly but not entirely for the better. Some high-rise buildings lost their views of Manhattan, which was bad; but for the most part, the increase in economic activity would have made the neighborhoods more desirable and the property more expensive. The arena only opened in 2012. For the property values to be changing less than a decade later makes perfect sense.
 
Ramrouser said:
Terrible jury instructions. Appellate court will reverse.
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It would help your cause immensely if you understood what jury instructions are. Unfortunately for you, you have demonstrated almost zero knowledge of law and make basic, fundamental mistakes frequently. There are many topics about which you don't know even the first thing.
 
To be clear: the process that is due is NOT a function of our resources. I shouldn't have to say this, but since the VP said otherwise . . .

The requirements of due process are laid out in the constitution. Among them: a right to a jury trial. It doesn't matter if our GDP is 3K per yea per capita or 300K per year. The constitution says everyone gets a jury trial. The constitution says that no person can be deprived of life or liberty without due process.
 
There's a misdirection that JD Vance and the rest of the admin and right wing news networks are using in bad faith, and individuals already inclined to agree with the admin seem to be running with it. And that misdirection is that this is about Abrego Garcia, the individual. Or even that it is about illegal immigrants. It's not - It's about the government and its power.

We The People should insist that our government, which controls, ya know [*gestures wildly at all the weapons, military, money, etc.*], follows the law before depriving any person of life, liberty, or property. The constitution unequivocally requires as much.

If Abrego Garcia is returned, is given due process, and is subsequently removed again following the law, well I don't have nearly as big a problem with that.

Lincoln said "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master." If you wouldn't give up your due process and let the government do to you whatever it wishes (this administration or any other), then you should not tolerate when the government does it to someone else.

To JD Vance or anyone else who says due process is too hard or too expensive for some threshold number of people: Get bent.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
There's a misdirection that JD Vance and the rest of the admin and right wing news networks are using in bad faith, and individuals already inclined to agree with the admin seem to be running with it. And that misdirection is that this is about Abrego Garcia, the individual. Or even that it is about illegal immigrants. It's not - It's about the government and its power.

We The People should insist that our government, which controls, ya know [*gestures wildly at all the weapons, military, money, etc.*], follows the law before depriving any person of life, liberty, or property. The constitution unequivocally requires as much.

If Abrego Garcia is returned, is given due process, and is subsequently removed again following the law, well I don't have nearly as big a problem with that.

Lincoln said "As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master." If you wouldn't give up your due process and let the government do to you whatever it wishes (this administration or any other), then you should not tolerate when the government does it to someone else.

To JD Vance or anyone else who says due process is too hard or too expensive for some threshold number of people: Get bent.
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Well said. One of the ways to describe the difference between liberal democracy and fascism is that liberal democracies are willing to allow the guilty to go free to prevent the innocent from losing their freedom, whereas fascist states are willing to take freedom from the innocent to ensure the guilty are punished. Trump, Vance, Bondi, Rubio, Miller, all of them are 100% aligning with fascism.
 
lawtig02 said:
Well said. One of the ways to describe the difference between liberal democracy and fascism is that liberal democracies are willing to allow the guilty to go free to prevent the innocent from losing their freedom, whereas fascist states are willing to take freedom from the innocent to ensure the guilty are punished. Trump, Vance, Bondi, Rubio, Miller, all of them are 100% aligning with fascism.
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Your overall point is correct. I think you're being too generous to fascism. What you've described as fascism is just Clarence Thomas. Fascism is willing to take freedom from the innocent to remain in power.
 
lawtig02 said:
Well said. One of the ways to describe the difference between liberal democracy and fascism is that liberal democracies are willing to allow the guilty to go free to prevent the innocent from losing their freedom, whereas fascist states are willing to take freedom from the innocent to ensure the guilty are punished. Trump, Vance, Bondi, Rubio, Miller, all of them are 100% aligning with fascism.
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I doubt it’s that important to fascist/authoritarian states for guilty criminals to be punished; it is important to punish opponents.
 
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Trump Live Updates: Harvard Feud, El Salvador Deportations and Tariff News

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“… A federal judge in Washington threatened on Wednesday to open a high-stakes contempt investigation into whether the Trump administration violated an order he issued last month directing officials to stop planes of Venezuelan migrants from being sent to El Salvador.

In a 46-page ruling, the judge, James E. Boasberg, said that he would begin contempt proceedings against the administration unless the White House did what it has failed to do for more than a month: give scores of Venezuelan men deported to El Salvador under the expansive authority of a wartime law called the Alien Enemies Act a chance to challenge their removal.

“The court does not reach such conclusions lightly or hastily,” wrote Judge Boasberg, who sits as the chief judge in Federal District Court in Washington. “Indeed, it has given defendants ample opportunity to explain their actions. None of their responses has been satisfactory.”

Judge Boasberg’s threat of contempt proceedings came one day after another federal judge, in another case involving the deportation flights to El Salvador, announced that she was beginning her own inquiry into whether the White House had violated a separate ruling by the Supreme Court. …”
 
One thing of note: DC judges are now requiring the government to give them status reports as to the government's compliance with their orders. I don't remember which case right now, but there was one yesterday where the judge entered an order and then required the government to submit by COB today its plan for effectuating her order.

Basically, the DC judges are proceeding with a presumption of irregularity. They are basically taking the position that the administration is not going to comply with their rulings, and they are thus building a record for contempt.
 
Boasberg ain't fucking around either. He's going to appoint a prosecutor himself if the government won't do it.

Problem: Trump cannot pardon civil contempt but he can pardon criminal contempt. One wonders if Boasberg will go with civil in the end, if it gets there, though he's probably talking about criminal to scare some folks.
 
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