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PTOHeel said:
As sad as the murder was, it's so disheartening to see so many people justifying the murder by openly lying about what happened.

The fact that so many people are completely fine with what happened in this heinous act is so disturbing. It just really reinforces the divide in this country.
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And we all know the truth: If this happened under a Dem administration, the exact same cowards sitting on their hands in silence now would be clutching their pearls while screaming to the high heavens about the "evil radical left." To hell with them all.
 
This whole spin as delivered by politicians and Fox media is what it has been about for decades now...stoking fear. Fear that begets anger, anger that begets cohesion and righteousness. That cohesion and righteousness are then controlled and whittled into political spears wielded by the powerful.

Several posters have given the game away by entertaining the possibility that armed forces are actually at serious risk, more so than unarmed civilians. Civilians are part of a terrorist network, immigrants are bringing crime and drugs, countries are bringing crime and drugs. Men are becoming women and stealing swimming trophies, religion is being overcome by antichrists of one sort or another. Someone spoke of the use of the term "war on...". How best to get cohesion and anger working for you than to make people fear the ramification of a war on Christmas, a war on western values, a war on drugs, and on and on and on.

I think we are inured of death in this Country because we've been led to believe that we are at war with so many things that our fear has turned into righteous anger which absolves people from making the violent choices they make. I mean if you believe (fear) that your way of life, your family, your religion, your job, your country is at mortal risk, then many will be much more amenable to violent responses.

If you are scared to death, it's fight or flight. We're seeing lots of different fight responses...continually stoked by the media reminder that EVERYTHING IS BARELY HANGING ON BY A THREAD!!!
 
CFordUNC said:


I’m trying not trying to become all reflexively emo all of a sudden, and I know that I am guiltier than most of having previously peddled this line of thinking for most of the last half-decade or so, but I’m getting so motherfucking tired of this line of thinking that there is some silent “majority of the country that wants government to act responsibly” or that there is some silent majority that opposes this shit. There is not- and the notion that there is, is laughable at best and risible or worthy of scorn and derision at worst. At least 35% of the country loves this, and another 35% can’t be bothered enough to give enough of a fuck to bother voting against it. Those of who are deeply aghast are a minority, and will continue to be a minority.
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I don't know if he coined the term, but I know I've seen David French (who I don't always agree with, but usually do when it comes to Trump) refer to this as a "one-way ratchet" towards extremism. The incentives are all aligned towards constant provocation, outrage, and extremism.
 
rodoheel said:
I don't know if he coined the term, but I know I've seen David French (who I don't always agree with, but usually do when it comes to Trump) refer to this as a "one-way ratchet" towards extremism. The incentives are all aligned towards constant provocation, outrage, and extremism.
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He definitely did not coin the term. In fact, Gorsuch used it multiple times at oral argument in the tariff case.
 
CFordUNC said:


I’m trying not trying to become all reflexively emo all of a sudden, and I know that I am guiltier than most of having previously peddled this line of thinking for most of the last half-decade or so, but I’m getting so motherfucking tired of this line of thinking that there is some silent “majority of the country that wants government to act responsibly” or that there is some silent majority that opposes this shit. There is not- and the notion that there is, is laughable at best and risible or worthy of scorn and derision at worst. At least 35% of the country loves this, and another 35% can’t be bothered enough to give enough of a fuck to bother voting against it. Those of who are deeply aghast are a minority, and will continue to be a minority.
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I don't know. I do think that there is a big majority that wants government to act responsibly. That's why all the propaganda is necessary. Vance knows that it would be fatal to support for aggressive immigration enforcement if the truth about ICE thuggery was acknowledged so they double down.

Now, do they care enough? As we've said so many times before, to vote for Trump is to vote for racism. It doesn't necessarily mean that every MAGA is racism. Or even OK with racism. It means that racism isn't that important to them.

So too with this: I'd bet anything that if you polled 1000 people who haven't seen anything about this story, showed them the video and asked if it was murder, you'd get about 95% saying yes. About 95% would say the person deserves life in prison. But if you say, here's a video of an ICE agent shooting a woman, that number will drop considerably. Not because they don't care; it's because it's less important to them than getting rid of the brown people because after all this woman was shot far away from them and it affects them not at all.

This is why we need a new reconstruction. We have to make clear that living in a nation of laws means the laws have to be followed by everyone; that being part of a nation is caring about every single person therein; and since they won't do that, they need a timeout from being part of the nation. They can be territories for a while. And I'm not moved by the argument that "how can you insist on rule of law by not following proper procedures," because there is no duty to follow an unjust law. The deck has been stacked so that the law currently is that there is no law. Yeah, I don't care about that. That's not what law means.

If I were president in 2029, I would arrest Trump in a heartbeat and everyone in the administration. I would tell the Supreme Court to fuck off. I'd put them all in a hole in Gitmo and throw away the key. If the legal institution has become fascist, then the legal institution needs to go.
 
Oddball said:
metro.co.uk

ICE agent who shot mum dead named as officer previously injured by speeding car

'They’re sowing chaos on our streets and in this case quite literally killing people.'
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

Not sure if this has been posted here, but shooter has been identified
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So he was previously injured because he unlawfully broke the rear window of a car and it drove off?

Hmm. Sounds like the motherfucker has it coming to him. Maybe someone should tell him to follow the rules and comply, and then nothing will happen.

He needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
rodoheel said:
First of all, I believe no one has ever determined whether the officer who was grazed by a shot was hit by his colleagues or someone else/

And...what happened before that? You know, the part where officers illegally obtained a no-knock warrant?
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The officer wasn’t grazed, he was shot in the femoral and nearly bled out. It was also determined that he was about by Taylor’s boyfriend as the only person involved in the shooting that had the caliber that struck the officer was the boyfriend.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The officer wasn’t grazed, he was shot in the femoral and nearly bled out. It was also determined that he was about by Taylor’s boyfriend as the only person involved in the shooting that had the caliber that struck the officer was the boyfriend.
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The officer convicted of civil rights violations for shooting blindly into the apartment was not injured at all. That was who we were talking about. But seriously, do we have to do this on this thread?
 
superrific said:
The officer convicted of civil rights violations for shooting blindly into the apartment was not injured at all. That was who we were talking about. But seriously, do we have to do this on this thread?
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He’s referring to a different officer. The reason the police opened fire was because the first officer through the door got dropped by Taylor’s boyfriend.
 
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