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We all have watched a great many football and basketball games. Video shot from different angles might show inconclusive things.

The right-wing wants LOTS OF INCONCLUSIVE video out there.

Please keep arguing about the video. That’s what the Trumpists want.
 
So, when I was in Hawaii recently, I was videoing a passage through a lava tube with my iPhone in my right hand. As I emerged into the stairs cut back up a hill to exit, I was paying attention to the grotto on the other side and missed my footing, stumbling on the stairs.

I caught myself on the upward angle of the stairs and didn’t really fall, thankfully. My husband was directly in front of me and didn’t notice at all. A lady directly behind me didn’t seem to notice (she was looking up at ceiling but still). But I used my iPhone hand to catch myself and when you watch the resulting video, you would assume I totally face-planted. The phone in its case going face down on the stairs made a loud sound. It is a funny video but it totally distorts the stumble into what seems like a face plant and roll.

I’ve thought about that a lot watching the ICE agent’s video.
Sure would be helpful to see the medical records from the officer’s emergency hospitalization. Maybe we’ll get them when Trump releases his Butler records.
 
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Heather Cox Richardson is the first I saw to raise awareness about Noem/DOJ using a logo of collective punishment at a presser after the Good shooting.

People are widely attributing the phrase to the Nazis, but I dislike sloppiness of crying Nazi Germany too quickly. On a quick first search, as far as I can tell the concept of collective punishment (rather than this exact phrase) is associated with Nazis and other fascists but also more generally with war crimes (see the Geneva Convention) in the 20th century (and throughout history).

The Intolerable Acts in pre-Revolutionary Massachusetts were intolerable in large part because they were collective punishment for the Boston Tea Party — the British attempt to punish that colony and strike fear in other colonies/colonists backfired spectacularly against the Brits and was one of the final fuses that lit the start of the American Revolution.

The response to WWI was considered to have led to WWII for a lot of reasons, but Hitler weaponized the collective punishment of Germany in the treaty terms to great effect. But in the 20th Century, Spanish Fascists, Nazi Germany and the Soviets were prolific and brutal users of violent collective torture and murder.

In any event, it has a long history of use prior to the 20th century (see accounts from virtually any European colony) and a shorter but material history of backfiring.
 
IMG_3715.jpeg

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Heather Cox Richardson is the first I saw to raise awareness about Noem/DOJ using a logo of collective punishment at a presser after the Good shooting.

People are widely attributing the phrase to the Nazis, but I dislike sloppiness of crying Nazi Germany too quickly. On a quick first search, as far as I can tell the concept of collective punishment (rather than this exact phrase) is associated with Nazis and other fascists but also more generally with war crimes (see the Geneva Convention) in the 20th century (and throughout history).

The Intolerable Acts in pre-Revolutionary Massachusetts were intolerable in large part because they were collective punishment for the Boston Tea Party — the British attempt to punish that colony and strike fear in other colonies/colonists backfired spectacularly against the Brits and was one of the final fuses that lit the start of the American Revolution.

The response to WWI was considered to have led to WWII for a lot of reasons, but Hitler weaponized the collective punishment of Germany in the treaty terms to great effect. But in the 20th Century, Spanish Fascists, Nazi Germany and the Soviets were prolific and brutal users of violent collective torture and murder.

In any event, it has a long history of use prior to the 20th century (see accounts from virtually any European colony) and a shorter but material history of backfiring.
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Both of these are from the Wikipedia entry on collective punishment.
 
I, too, hate to reflexively call anyone Nazis, but goodness gracious, when official government accounts are quite literally tweeting the exact kind of terminology the Nazis relished in using, maybe at some point it time to call them exactly what they apparently want to be called.
 
IMG_3715.jpeg

IMG_3716.jpeg

Heather Cox Richardson is the first I saw to raise awareness about Noem/DOJ using a logo of collective punishment at a presser after the Good shooting.

People are widely attributing the phrase to the Nazis, but I dislike sloppiness of crying Nazi Germany too quickly. On a quick first search, as far as I can tell the concept of collective punishment (rather than this exact phrase) is associated with Nazis and other fascists but also more generally with war crimes (see the Geneva Convention) in the 20th century (and throughout history).

The Intolerable Acts in pre-Revolutionary Massachusetts were intolerable in large part because they were collective punishment for the Boston Tea Party — the British attempt to punish that colony and strike fear in other colonies/colonists backfired spectacularly against the Brits and was one of the final fuses that lit the start of the American Revolution.

The response to WWI was considered to have led to WWII for a lot of reasons, but Hitler weaponized the collective punishment of Germany in the treaty terms to great effect. But in the 20th Century, Spanish Fascists, Nazi Germany and the Soviets were prolific and brutal users of violent collective torture and murder.

In any event, it has a long history of use prior to the 20th century (see accounts from virtually any European colony) and a shorter but material history of backfiring.
I think it was standard practice in Nazi occupied towns to kill anywhere from 10-100 locals (often children) if a German soldier was killed in town. Also any soldier captured behind a German specified front line (regardless of real lines) was to be executed as a spy and not considered to be a POW.
 

I posted this in the Current Events thread. I just want to have some support before too broadly slapping the Nazi label on everything — Stalin was a big fan of collective punishment, too. But there are definitely intentional uses of Nazi and white supremacist phrases and stylings across government propaganda posted by the Trump Administration. It could easily be its own thread to keep a running list of examples.
 
I posted this in the Current Events thread. I just want to have some support before too broadly slapping the Nazi label on everything — Stalin was a big fan of collective punishment, too. But there are definitely intentional uses of Nazi and white supremacist phrases and stylings across government propaganda posted by the Trump Administration. It could easily be its own thread to keep a running list of examples.
Oh totally agree with you
 
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