IEDs thrown at anti-Islam/ anti-Mandami rally @ Gracie Mansion

[ZZLPHeels]

Funny.... I have no issue with Islam any more than I have an issue with Christianity, Buddhism, etc. They're all silly, but not inherently dangerous.

Fundamentalist/extremism is the issue.

Cool. So surely you have no problem with the Mayor's statements, then, which condemned the would-be terrorists while defending the right of the anti-Muslim protesters to demonstrate and express themselves freely. Trump would have simply made up a lie about the terrorists being secret Republicans and moved on.

It's OK to admit that maybe you were mistaken about this one...acting on incomplete information, etc. No one will think any less of you for admitting that.

 

[Duke Mu]

The position I'm taking may not be one that you have considered, but it's not in bad faith. I believe this is the byproduct of a common way of thinking by many liberals. That way of thinking is something like a hierarchy of victimhood or The need to label each party as oppressed and oppressor and the more liberal one is, the more likely they are to think this way.

In no way do I believe this was an accident by Mamdani and is precisely why he first calls out the people on one side and the action on the other.

What part of "what followed is MORE disturbing" is not clear? Stop listening to FNC/MAGA taking points.

The protestors were focusing on anti-Muslim tropes not Mamdani's policies. Led by someone who should be in prison, Their true leader (all I see is hate and retribution) should be in prison instead of in the White House. Whoever brought an IED should be in prison for many years. This is not hard to understand.

 

[StrangePackage]

What part of "what followed is MORE disturbing" is not clear? Stop listening to FNC/MAGA taking points.

The protestors were focusing on anti-Muslim tropes not Mamdani's policies. Led by someone who should be in prison, Their true leader (all I see is hate and retribution) should be in prison instead of in the White House. Whoever brought an IED should be in prison for many years. This is not hard to understand.

It isn't hard to understand.

But you can wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

I’m not a spokesman for Lang’s group I only reported what his protest was about.

Probably wants to prevent what is occurring in UK and parts of Europe.

Yeah? What’s occurring in Europe. I was just in France, tell me more.

 

[tarheelbillie]

Coming soon? Cottage industry for IEDs in USA.

 

[ZenMode]

Cool. So surely you have no problem with the Mayor's statements, then, which condemned the would-be terrorists while defending the right of the anti-Muslim protesters to demonstrate and express themselves freely. Trump would have simply made up a lie about the terrorists being secret Republicans and moved on.

It's OK to admit that maybe you were mistaken about this one...acting on incomplete information, etc. No one will think any less of you for admitting that.

My issue with the mayor's statement doesn't change based on your incorrect assumptions about my views.

 

[duluoz]

My issue with the mayor's statement doesn't change based on your incorrect assumptions about my views.

So you know what info Mamdani knew at the time he released that initial statement that has your tighties all wadded?

Because if you know that, you may have a point. But if you don’t know that, then you’re just a trolling fool as usual.

 

[ZenMode]

So you know what info Mamdani knew at the time he released that initial statement that has your tighties all wadded?

Because if you know that, you may have a point. But if you don’t know that, then you’re just a trolling fool as usual.

Interesting the the police commissioner, who spoke immediately after Mamdani, referred to it as "ISIS-inspired" but, to the Mamdani, it's just "two men from Pennsylvania".

Yet, he refers to Jake Lang as a "white supremacist". Ok, based on what?

 

[Paine]

Interesting the the police commissioner, who spoke immediately after Mamdani, referred to it as "ISIS-inspired" but, to the Mamdani, it's just "two men from Pennsylvania".

Yet, he refers to Jake Lang as a "white supremacist". Ok, based on what?

You’re a deeply unserious person. I’d never heard of Lang prior to this. A simple Google search reveals the following:

Lang promoted the “Great Replacement” theory, which is a core of white supremacist ideology.

He publicly called to “ban Islam” as his “very first act” if elected senator.

He said he’d “deputize the Proud Boys and January 6 Patriots to bounty hunt illegal immigrants.”

And you’re going to bat for him.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

My issue with the mayor's statement doesn't change based on your incorrect assumptions about my views.

We’ve already established why you have an issue with the mayor’s statement. There’s the reason you stated, and then there’s the reason that the rest of us know to be true.

 

[Ramrouser]

They are facing federal charges now. That's where they will be tried. More importantly, the mayor was able to recite a factual narrative. That also makes a difference.

If you just jump the gun, ram-style, here are some things that can happen:

1. You are wrong about their identities, and then you slander two men;
2. You get some facts wrong; that could be used to create reasonable doubt.
3. You don't get facts wrong, but your fact-free narrative is factually useless and could support a change of venue petition.

Very little is gained by jumping the gun and naming them prior to having a fully understood factual narrative about what occurred. And it's not the mayor of NYC's job to indulge your petty concerns. His job is actually not to "name the bad guys" to your satisfaction.

He had no issue immediately naming Jake Lang - who is also facing serious charges - so the Mayor had no issue jumping the gun with him.

 

[ZenMode]

We’ve already established why you have an issue with the mayor’s statement. There’s the reason you stated, and then there’s the reason that the rest of us know to be true.

Like Mamdani, you create reality as needed to believe what you want to believe.

 

[StrangePackage]

He had no issue immediately naming Jake Lang - who is also facing serious charges - so the Mayor had no issue jumping the gun with him.

Yeah, didn't he assault a police officer with a baseball bat?

Surely such behavior should result in years behind bars. That's way more egregious behavior than either Good or Pretti engaged in.

 

[ZenMode]

You’re a deeply unserious person. I’d never heard of Lang prior to this. A simple Google search reveals the following:

Lang promoted the “Great Replacement” theory, which is a core of white supremacist ideology.

Also a fundamental belief of the conspiratorial Right.

He publicly called to “ban Islam” as his “very first act” if elected senator.

Also not unique to white nationalists/white supremacists.

He said he’d “deputize the Proud Boys and January 6 Patriots to bounty hunt illegal immigrants.”

And you’re going to bat for him.

I'm not going to bat for him. He should be I jail with all other J6ers.

I'm pointing out, again, the Mamdani has no problem attacking Lang personally while referring to the Islamic terrorists as "Two men from Pennsylvania."

Has Lang been convicted of a hate crime that aligns with white supremacy? Has he even been charged with a hate crime? If not, why is Mamdani labeling him?

 

[roostra]

Also a fundamental belief of the conspiratorial Right.

Also not unique to white nationalists/white supremacists.

I'm not going to bat for him. He should be I jail with all other J6ers.

I'm pointing out, again, the Mamdani has no problem attacking Lang personally while referring to the terrorists as "Two men from Pennsylvania."

I honestly do not see what point you are trying to make. At near as I can tell, you are upset at Mamdani not calling out the fact that the bombers were Islamic? Why is that his responsibility and what is the effect of his failure to do so? Maybe you could lay out that out in very plain language.

In his press conference, Mamdani called out the bomber's actions as evil, worse than those of Jake Lang and his group. His police commissioner, Jessica Tisch stated that it was being investigated as an act of Isis-inspired terrorism immediately after him in the same press conference: "After that complaint is made public, which I expect to occur later today, I will be able to say much more about the investigation and what we have learned in this case. But it is crucial that we respect that process and not get ahead of it. That being said, I can confirm this morning that this is being investigated as an act of ISIS-inspired terrorism."

After the prepared remarks (in the same press conference), Mamdani was asked why this was being investigated as Isis-inspired terrorism and he directed the police commissioner to answer the question and provide specifics, which the police commissioner did saying: "As to the other questions that you posed, I don't want to say anything that could introduce prejudice into the prosecution or do anything that will make the prosecutor's jobs more difficult. What I can say is that the complaint I expect will be unsealed later this afternoon, and once that happens, I will be at greater liberty to discuss and answer the questions that you pose."

So he was not defending their actions or trying to portray them as victims. It seems a bit of a tempest in a teapot.

 

[altmin]

Suspicious device again reported near Zohran Mamdani’s residence

NYPD officers responded to the alert, days after two men threw homemade explosives at Gracie Mansion

www.theguardian.com

 

[Paine]

Also a fundamental belief of the conspiratorial Right.

Also not unique to white nationalists/white supremacists.

I'm not going to bat for him. He should be I jail with all other J6ers.

I'm pointing out, again, the Mamdani has no problem attacking Lang personally while referring to the Islamic terrorists as "Two men from Pennsylvania."

Has Lang been convicted of a hate crime that aligns with white supremacy? Has he even been charged with a hate crime? If not, why is Mamdani labeling him?

You asked "based on what?" I answered. Now your response is "well those things aren't exclusively white supremacist beliefs" and "has he been convicted of a hate crime?" That's not the standard you set. You asked for a basis, you got one, and now you're moving the goalposts.

A conviction is not required to describe someone's publicly stated ideology. By that logic you couldn't call David Duke a white supremacist unless he had a hate crime conviction on his record. Lang himself promoted Great Replacement theory. Lang himself called to ban Islam. Lang himself wanted to deputize the Proud Boys to bounty hunt immigrants. Nobody is inferring anything, these are his own words. Mamdani isn't a prosecutor. He's describing the man's documented, self-proclaimed worldview using accurate language.

As for the "two men from Pennsylvania" point, Lang's white supremacist views are publicly documented public record. The ISIS connection was an active, developing criminal investigation at the time Mamdani spoke. A mayor speculating about an ongoing investigation before law enforcement confirms anything would be irresponsible. Calling a man who promotes Great Replacement theory and wants to ban Islam a white supremacist requires no inside information whatsoever.

You've gone from "based on what" to "well lots of people believe that" to "where's his conviction" across a handful of posts.

Simple yes or no: based on that public record, do you personally consider Lang a white supremacist?

 

[duluoz]

Simple yes or no: based on that public record, do you personally consider Lang a white supremacist?

Any equivocation or evasive answer here is ignore-worthy IMO.

 

[ZenMode]

You asked "based on what?" I answered. Now your response is "well those things aren't exclusively white supremacist beliefs" and "has he been convicted of a hate crime?" That's not the standard you set. You asked for a basis, you got one, and now you're moving the goalposts.

Right. If there isn't solid evidence, why is Mamdani calling out Lang and not the two Islamic terrorists. Among the two, they admitted to police that they were inspired by ISIS. Balat, unprompted, said to police “this isn’t a religion that just stands when people talk about the blessed name of the prophet, we take action!” and, in writing, pledged his allegiance to the Islamic state. This was all while talking to, and being transported by, police.

A conviction is not required to describe someone's publicly stated ideology. By that logic you couldn't call David Duke a white supremacist unless he had a hate crime conviction on his record. Lang himself promoted Great Replacement theory. Lang himself called to ban Islam. Lang himself wanted to deputize the Proud Boys to bounty hunt immigrants. Nobody is inferring anything, these are his own words. Mamdani isn't a prosecutor. He's describing the man's documented, self-proclaimed worldview using accurate language.

That's fine. No conviction needed. So, why was it "Two men from Pennsylvania" and not "Two Islamic terrorists?"

As for the "two men from Pennsylvania" point, Lang's white supremacist views are publicly documented public record. The ISIS connection was an active, developing criminal investigation at the time Mamdani spoke. A mayor speculating about an ongoing investigation before law enforcement confirms anything would be irresponsible. Calling a man who promotes Great Replacement theory and wants to ban Islam a white supremacist requires no inside information whatsoever.

You've gone from "based on what" to "well lots of people believe that" to "where's his conviction" across a handful of posts.

Simple yes or no: based on that public record, do you personally consider Lang a white supremacist?

I don't know enough to say and, again, if Mamdani is going to be so liberal with his labels, then be consistent, not only liberal when it's politically expedient.

 

[Ramrouser]

Here's CNN's crackerjack reporting of the incident:

"Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could've been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather."

"But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti-Muslim protest outside Mayor Mamdani's home."

Just a couple of knuckleheaded Pennsylvania teens.....