I'm a former IC ZZL/P Mod = AMA

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1. "lost your position" wasn't intended to be specifically non-technical. It was specifically because I didn't know/remember what happened. I didn't want to say fired because I didn't know if that was the case. I didn't say retired because I didn't know if that was the case. What I knew was that he was an editor, and then after a certain date, was no longer an editor. Hence he lost his position. That was my thought process. I suppose I could have written something precise like, "had your employment terminated by the agreement or action of one or both parties" but that seems needlessly formal and hard to read.

2. The conversation about abnormal wasn't about a "technical" meaning. There is no "technical" meaning of that term. Its meaning implies a value judgment. I mean, that's true of a lot of words. But this poster was contending that his use of the word "abnormal" was "objective" and the only reason liberal squishes were objecting was that we're too afraid of being mean. The truth, of course, is that there is nothing factual or objective about claiming something to be abnormal. The concept requires normality, which is a privileging of certain characteristics over other competing characteristics. By definition, that is a judgment, not a fact.

If there is any lingering doubt on this point, try an exercise. Think of something you consider "abnormal." In the case of this thread, it was suggested that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality "abnormal." But it's also possible for both to be normal. So, how do you argue in favor of one of those qualities (e.g. hetero) as normal as opposed to both being normal? There's no way to do it except by bringing in some concept of what the world should be. None. Try it. Argue that a one-normal descriptor is superior in principle to the two-normal one.

This is not a question of technical meaning. It's a question of a) a basic, fundamental aspect of the meaning of the word and b) the nature of the concept of normality.
Yes, it is possible to for both heterosexual and homosexual to be normal. Ability to have children isn't the only qualifier here.

That is also why I asked, without answer, about how one with such a binary belief system would classify other human traits that are along a spectrum.

Like skin color, eye color, and hair color, which is "normal". It would be highly offensive for one to claim that white skin is normal and those whose skin is not white to be abnormal.

My beliefe is this was simply a way to try and mask unacceptable personal biases.

Example: I'm not homophobic but, you know that gay people are not normal, since they can't have kids.
 
How many children of the ZZL googled bukakke after Sooner told them to?
We'll I didn't...

Until you mentioned it again. I probably should have known better.

It wasn't nearly as disturbing as some words I've mistakenly Google over the years.

Not in the same ballpark as rosebudding.
 
Who actually owns IC? What is the hierarchy within the PTB?
My understanding is that Ben and Buck are co-owners. They pay a portion of the dues to 247 for the network (or more accurately, 247 takes a cut of the dues that are collected).
 
We'll I didn't...

Until you mentioned it again. I probably should have known better.

It wasn't nearly as disturbing as some words I've mistakenly Google over the years.

Not in the same ballpark as rosebudding.
Damn you, now I want to google rosebudding...
 
As an aside, I saw where some porn stars are doing some PSA's against project 2025.
 
Yes, it is possible to for both heterosexual and homosexual to be normal. Ability to have children isn't the only qualifier here.

That is also why I asked, without answer, about how one with such a binary belief system would classify other human traits that are along a spectrum.

Like skin color, eye color, and hair color, which is "normal". It would be highly offensive for one to claim that white skin is normal and those whose skin is not white to be abnormal.

My beliefe is this was simply a way to try and mask unacceptable personal biases.

Example: I'm not homophobic but, you know that gay people are not normal, since they can't have kids.
But the dude assured us that everyone disagreeing with him is liberal (I'm sure that will be news to you) and making emotional arguments. Of course he didn't answer the question.
 
How many children of the ZZL googled bukakke after Sooner told them to?
At my law firm we used to have what we called the “bukakke test.” It all started circa 2007 when we were handling a case involving a madam of a very high end escort service. One of my partners had access to her email account. The client would get emails from people who were applying for jobs with her escort service. They were quite entertaining. They would actually submit resumes.

We were reading the resume of one of the applicants and she had appeared in a number of adult films, which she listed in her resume. Several of the films had the word “bukkake” in the title. One of my law partners and I were not familiar with the term so we did our research. We found some videos. Once we saw what it was, we called in one of our other partners to check it out (we were a very small firm at the time with about 4 or 5 lawyers back then). We all stood there laughing as we watched the videos. This applicant was also in movies with the term “reverse bukkake” so we checked that out too.

After that, we all laughed about how watching videos like that is the type of stuff we do at our firm. We talked about how someone who wanted to come work at our firm would have to be someone who wouldn’t be offended by the fact that people are watching bukkake videos in their office and could actually find humor in it.

At that point we came up with a hypothetical “bukkake test.” If anyone were to join our firm, they would need to be the type who would not be offended by people watching bukkake videos in their office and would have to find humor in the whole thing.

Now we never actually subjected anyone to the “bukkake test.” But when we talked about hiring other lawyers, we would ask each other if we thought they’d be able to pass the “bukakke test.” Though that hasn’t come in years now.
 
I never said the dictionary definitions were wrong. Typical isn't always. Abnormal can be used in a positive way. A basketball player can be abnormally tall. A gifted student can be abnormally intelligent, etc.
it doesn't always have to be used in that context to make it incorrect and insulting in some situations.

this is one of those situations.
 
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I moderated the ZZL and ZZLP for almost 8 years. It was a shitshow.

What questions do you have about IC? Or being an IC mod? Or about the ZZL or ZZLP? Or about whatever else?

Ask me anything
Approximately how many zzl posters (daily/weekly) were there before the split? Once it split what did the numbers become zzlp vs zzl ?
 
Approximately how many zzl posters (daily/weekly) were there before the split? Once it split what did the numbers become zzlp vs zzl ?
No idea.

Based on my experience, the numbers had already been trending down for years before the split. The issue that niche message boards like IC face is getting new folks to join when facebook, twitter, reddit, etc are already out there and offer a place to discuss UNC sports while also offering much more.
 
I never said the dictionary definitions were wrong. Typical isn't always. Abnormal can be used in a positive way. A basketball player can be abnormally tall. A gifted student can be abnormally intelligent, etc.
You see those as positive?

No one would call a gifted person abnormally intelligent.

I doubt anyone would take "abnormal intelligence" as a compliment.
 
You see those as positive?

No one would call a gifted person abnormally intelligent.

I doubt anyone would take "abnormal intelligence" as a compliment.
Positive or negative really doesn't matter if it fits the definition.

Edit: I don't know what I have said previously, but what I meant is that homosexuality is abnormal, not that homosexuals should be labeled as abnormal people.
 
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You see those as positive?

No one would call a gifted person abnormally intelligent.

I doubt anyone would take "abnormal intelligence" as a compliment.
Disturbingly, I'm not sure I could honestly reject the term if applied to me.:confused:
 
On reflection, What would the construct of a "normal" mind look like? I'm not even sure that's a valid concept. The closest society comes is that if you can care for yourself, you're normally functional. and the acuity and problem solving abilities aren't terribly relevant. Those aren't exactly well defined standards with clear criteria unswayed by the expectations of society.
 
Can you rank from below what you feel IC's decision-makers are most concerned with?

a. Enhancing and preserving the reputation of UNC athletics
b. Selling Premium memberships
c. Increasing advertising revenue
d. Tracking the browsing habits of its users, paid and free.
 
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