Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR Two Week CEASEFIRE

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PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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So where was that “united front” when the last two Dems were in the Oval Office? Oh, right- tan suits and sleeveless dresses nearly destroyed the universe.

You ignorant dumbfuck.
 
BlueSteel said:
You’ll get a lotta “Biden” this, “Biden” that, but he’ll never answer the question directly. I applaud you for trying though. He knows the right answer. He just can’t bring himself to say it.
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I'm suspecting that I'm "on ignore." I should probably stop tagging @wmheel1287 on it though -- I don't want to annoy him overmuch.
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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Yeah, or would could not be North Korea, where everyone is expected to fellate the dictator no matter what idiocy he unleashes.
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too.
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I like that you start off your diatribe criticizing Dems for ignoring the possibility they are doing harm to the world and then proceed to totally ignore the harm you say Donald Trump may be doing to the world. 10/10. No notes.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I like that you start off your diatribe criticizing Dems for ignoring the possibility they are doing harm to the world and then proceed to totally ignore the harm you say Donald Trump may be doing to the world. 10/10. No notes.
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Calla and Ram are just idiots. Pandemic is a whole ‘nother level of mentally deranged.
 
rodoheel said:
Conflating any criticism of Israel with antisemitism, I see
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Yep, that's the go-to. It's almost as if they didn't spend 4 decades crying that every time they criticized a black person they are accused of being racist or go crazy when Trump was called racist for calling Black countries "shitholes".
 
wmheel1287 said:
LOL...we went from free shipping on Hormuz to every ship having to pay $2 Million and it only cost us $80 Billion to accomplish this miraculous goal!
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not only that, but now every time people around the world go to the gas pump to fill up their tanks, they are putting money directly into the pockets of the IRGC that it will use to build the nuclear weapons program that we totally obliterated and fund proxy terrorist attacks against Americans around the globe. So much winning!
 
So... we're back to Kiplings "worn-out tools" again, I see....

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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Ah yes, I remember the last time there was a Democratic president and the right totally rallied around him to present a united front.

GTFOH with this hypocritical bullshit. Trump is the one who put himself in a no-win position on Iran by launching a war with no strategic goals, without consulting Congress, without making a case to the American people, without consulting the allies he now demands support him. So yeah, now that a series of terrible and completely unavoidable decisions have led us into a scenario where every option is a bad option and there is pretty clearly no way to spin a positive outcome from this disaster.

Maybe think about this the next time someone forwards you another chain email complaining about Obama giving the Iranians $1.5 billion (of their own frozen assets) in exchange for voluntarily dismantling their nuclear program. We just spent many multiples of that amount in an ill-conceived and pointless military conflict that gained us almost nothing and cost us in many other ways.
 
This is a defeat so humiliating it makes Vietnam look like an outright victory. At least with Vietnam we were attempting to defend our democratic allies in the South from the communists.
 
Ddseddse said:
So... we're back to Kiplings "worn-out tools" again, I see....

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
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We definitely have a bunch of tools in the administration and the biggest one is certainly worn out. I'm pretty sure he's only good for dead weight and not really worth the aggravation.
 
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