Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR Two Week CEASEFIRE

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Pretty clear that America just lost this war. It is easily the most humiliating defeat in the country's history. Nothing else is even close. Maybe when the British JV team occupied DC, except we ultimately won. And England was the most powerful country in the world.

This is the equivalent of a 1 seed losing to a 16 seed.
 
Calheel said:
Pro-Israel is not Israel.

There are many, many rich Americans who are fervently pro-Israel, both Jews and Evangelicals.

There is no debate that pro-Israel interests give money to politicans.

Again, that was not the claim the bumble bee made. He said Israel (not pro-Israeli Americans) was giving money to democrat and republican politicians alike.

I've not see evidence of that. Have you? Has our GT friend?
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You have to be effing kidding.

Who do you think is AIPAC et al.'s puppetmaster as they danced around Fara?

Liat Glazer, then a legal adviser to Israel’s ministry of strategic affairs, writes that even though the nonprofit would not be formally managed from Israel, “we will have means of supervision and management” – for example, through grant-making and “informal coordination mechanisms” including “oral meetings and updates”.
From 2024:
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Israel feared legal trouble over US advocacy efforts, leaked files suggest

Exclusive: officials concerned by foreign agent law proposed creation of American nonprofit to avoid scrutiny
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Why AIPAC Must Register Under FARA: Exposing Israel’s Influence in Washington — Track AIPAC

For decades, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has served as Israel’s unofficial arm in Washington, shaping U.S. policy to favor Israeli interests while avoiding the transparency required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). This evasion hides AIPAC’s role as a foreign p
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The connections are undeniable: AIPAC has operated a Jerusalem office since 1982, a direct link to Israeli leadership. Its leaders frequently visit Israel, host Israeli officials at policy summits, and align U.S. policy with Israel’s agenda. In 2015, AIPAC strongly opposed a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements, mirroring Israel’s defiance, and launched a significant lobbying effort, spending a reported $30 million, to support Netanyahu’s campaign against the Iran nuclear deal. In 2023, it briefed Congress on Israel’s Gaza operations, echoing military talking points. In 2024, it pushed $14.1 billion in emergency aid for Israel, matching Netanyahu’s demands, and followed through on Foreign Minister Israel Katz’s request to secure congressional sanctions against the International Criminal Court. If a group lobbying for Russia maintained a Moscow office, funded trips there, and parroted Kremlin lines, we’d call it foreign influence. AIPAC’s U.S. funding doesn’t alter its role as Israel’s conduit.
 
sunnyheel said:
American-Israeli Political Action Committee
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This is a diversion from the Iran thread. So if you want to continue the discussion, it will need to be on a new thread.

AIPAC is not funded by Israel, but by Americans. AIPAC acts in coordination with Israel and likely is violating FARA by not registering as a foreign agent, but that is a separate issue from money.
 
@wmheel1287 wrote to @Callatoroy

"I am, however, absolutely sure that right now Donald Trump is also mentally unfit to be POTUS and is doing real harm to the world every single day. How about let's stick to that? Do you believe he is mentally fit to serve or not?"

Love to see an answer to that. I might just keep posting it until we get one. I can be persistent.
 
Callatoroy said:
Antisemite I see. That aside, the issue is the impact the “worse” war has on the global economy for years. We are dealing with $110 oil prices now and that might last until……shortly after we leave. An all out ME war would last years. Tell the poor in this country that would be harmed the most by protracted high oil prices “not to worry, we have the moral high ground.”
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A brain dead idiot, I see, who has to stoop to ad hominem attacks. Not liking Israel and Bibi is politics and not religion. Just because you've been sold a sack of shit doesn't mean I want one.

Just in case you haven't noticed, our people have been greatly damaged by this war while you're being tagteamed by Trump and Bibi.
 
Callatoroy said:
No nuance to this. You people are absolute idiots if you believe, which your media is walking you towards, that we agreed to the list Iran put out. The list is long and distinguished as to who the most outstanding idiot is (the 2 CFs don’t count as their IQ is genetically low).
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Since I apparently have taken up permanent residence in your skull, tag me next time, you scared little bitch. Here, let me show you how this works:

Hey @Callatoroy how does it feel to have Trump force you to sit in the cuck chair and defend the most humiliating surrender in U.S. history? Cant “But Biden!” or “But the libtard media!” your way out of this one, you dumb fuck. You’ve been screaming at the rest of us for weeks that we can’t let Iran have enriched uranium. Trump just let them have it. You’ve been crying at the rest of us for weeks that we can’t stop this war until or unless Iran is no longer in control of the Hormuz, which, incidentally, they did not have five weeks ago. Trump just meekly gave it to them AND is apparently going to let them charge tolls for passage.

As someone who loves our country deeply, it is painful to watch us get our ass handed to us by a bunch of radical hardliner pieces of shit in Iran, but if it must happen, the silver lining is getting to watch a gutless waste of DNA like you humiliate yourself having to defend it.
 
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So I’ll give this a shot in simple (MAGA) terms.

I walk into my kitchen tonight and take a sledge hammer to my refrigerator…bust it all to hell. I guess we’re at the point now where I should expect praise from my wife for replacing it with one that costs more, but is less reliable and has less features.

I created the problem, but at least we don’t have rotten food…right?
 
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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This whole pile is an "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle" thing. Stick to your Biblical myths and leave real politics, which you are obviously clueless about,alone.
 
So we go to war to supposedly create "regime change" in Iran and to completely destroy their nuclear/uranium program. We do bomb the hell out of them, killing thousands of Iranians, including over a hundred students in an Iranian school, and we do kill a bunch of their existing government. Trump and Hegseth initially crow that we're winning the war and destroying the country.

But the Iranians simply select a new, probably even more hard-line theocratic government, so the only regime change makes things even worse for us. And the Iranians turn out to have a seemingly endless supply of drones and missiles that they use to damage our allies and US bases and embassies and other buildings in the region. And they actually cut off shipping in the Strait of Hormuz - which no one in the Trump administration bothered to plan for - which causes the price of oil to soar around the world, driving up gas prices in the USA and the price of other products like food.

And Dear Leader, who finally found himself in a crisis of his own making that he couldn't simply walk away from, starts demanding that our traditional allies help him get out of fix that he got himself into, but after hearing him trash them for years and threaten them (like wanting to make Canada our 51st State) and trying to steal their territory, our allies unsurprisingly have no interest in helping Trump and tell him he (and America and Israel) are on their own, which leads him (since he's so bright and such a great negotiator) to just insult and threaten them even more.

So now, in his desperation to get out of a mess he created and which is causing his approval ratings to plummet to record lows and is causing panic among Republicans looking to the midterms, he's agreed to this deal which will basically allow Iran to keep controlling the Persian Gulf, keep its nuclear/uranium program, and leaves us with nothing except needlessly dead and wounded American military personnel, destroyed or damaged US embassies and bases in the region, thousands of dead Iranians and Lebanese, and a weakened US role in the region and the world, and more separated from our allies than ever. Oh, and China and Russia have more leverage in the region than before.

And this all may fall apart tomorrow and the fighting will resume with Iran still holding most of the cards in the region. Great going, Trump!

If any MAGA or bosider wishes to provide their own take on all of this they welcome to do so.
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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Hahahahahahahahahahaahaha oh my God, this is amazing. This is literal pure art. 10/10. Blaming the *Democrats* for Donald Trump being the biggest punk pussy bitch the modern world has ever seen and losing a war to freaking Iran. This is beautiful, even by PandumbicBlew’s standards.
 
PandemicBlue said:
The Democrats want to act like Donald Trump is doing harm to the world, and maybe he is, while totally ignoring the fact that maybe they are too. Their opposition to Trump, at all costs, have real world consequences. When Trump threatens to escalate the war to new levels to try and encourage the Iranians to come to the negotiating table, the Democrats cry war crimes, war crimes. When Trump announces there is a ceasefire, the Democrats claim he caved and capitulated. Same thing when Trump was meeting with Kim Jong Un. What were the Democrats doing? Trying to impeach him for some bullshit charge. There is no winning for Trump with the Democrats no matter what he does, and you don't think seeing the US divided only encourages the Iranians to continue to resist?

Let's just say instead of seeing a united front the Iranians see the resistance Trump is getting at home, resistance that would never come if a Democrat president was executing the war, and decide to wait it out. And let's say that that resistance causes Trump and the US to take a course that leads to these same radicals remaining in control of Iran when maybe there was a chance to eliminate their control. And let's say that those same people, with all of their history of hostilities towards the US, are somehow able to one day acquire nuclear weapons.

Will Democrats really feel like they won in their efforts to oppose Trump if and when a bunch of radicals decide it's a good idea to blow their asses off the face of the earth and on top of that, have the ability to do so as a direct result of Democrat's Trump resistance? Does that sound like a win?
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'Dear Leader' word salad.
 
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