Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR / US F-15 downed in Iran

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nycfan said:


Could we not have a battle of infrastructure knowing our own grid has significant security issues?
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If you listen to Trump and his minions like Hegseth, you can easily tell that a big part of fighting a conflict like this is the personal thrill they get from being able to say (true or not) "We have the most awesomest military on Earth and we can utterly destroy you in a couple of hours if we want to", which is something that a twelve-year old punk would say. And their wrong belief that all of our wars will be easy and quick and without any real cost to us. Not to mention that we should have learned repeatedly over the past sixty or so years that having the world's most powerful military didn't lead to victory in Vietnam, Lebanon (1982), Somalia (1993), Iraq, or Afghanistan. We (or rather our government and large (MAGA) sections of our population) simply refuse to learn the lesson that having a very powerful military doesn't necessarily lead to quick and easy victories, nor prevent those we are fighting from being able to cause damage to us, economically, physically, and otherwise.
 
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dcphx said:
and the follow up questions:
How long?
How many dead?
How many wounded?

I think Iraq had ~4,500 and Afghanistan ~2,000 fatalities, albeit both were over fairly long time periods. Iran is a whole different animal from either IMO and would pose a far greater risk of substantial casualties.

If 47 puts US troops on the ground in Iran without a vote from Congress, he might actually get impeached and removed, along with whiskeypete and DJ Bowman.
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There is no chance the Senate convicts Trump.

NONE!
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
"Critical thought" on this board is immediately succumbing to the opinion of the kneejerk left and calling anyone who doesn't agree with it a right wing nutjob. Same as the old ZZL. Fortunately I have plenty of real life liberals to discuss things with who don't immediately react with "WTF" like Zoo did and proceed into some blatant overcompensating mancuntness.

Hundreds of posters on this board. I'm literally the first one outside of known MAGATs to post a different opinion on this subject. I guess everyone here except me is just perfect at "critical thought", even though it's all EXACTLY THE SAME.

I mean look, I agree with 90% of what is posted here. That's largely why I come here. And the boss is good with breaking news off X on important subjects. But this place isn't about "critical thought". It's a bunch of libs patting each other on the ass and validating each other.
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Wow.
 
Another horrendous day in Trump's Regional Clown Car War. The loss of KC-135 and 4 airmen is the 5th lost aircraft.

Israel and Beirut are clobbering each other.

East Asian markets are down 2-3%.

Gym Jordan Says Americans Can Handle Short-Term Gas Price Spike for Iran War

Not sure how even Baghdad Bob would spin this.
 

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Four confirmed dead in US military refuelling plane crash in Iraq​

Four of six crew members on board a US KC-135 military aerial refuelling plane that crashed in western Iraq yesterday have been confirmed dead, US Central Command said Friday.

surprising two survived
 

China to donate $200,000 to parents of students killed in Iran school strike​

China said on Friday that it will donate $200,000 to the parents of the students killed in the airstrike on the Shajareh Tayyebeh primary school in Iran, AFP reports.
 
Emmanuel Macron has confirmed on social media that a French soldier has been killed in an attack in Erbil in Iraq’s autonomous Kurdistan region – marking the first French military death of the Middle East war.
 
increase pressure on Iran or declare victory and get out ? It depends upon what the last person standing tells him to do.

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: With Iran war exit elusive, Trump aides vie to affect outcome

A complex tug-of-war inside the White House is driving Trump's shifting public statements on the course of the Iran war, as aides debate when and how to declare victory even as the conflict spreads across the Middle East.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
altmin said:

China to donate $200,000 to parents of students killed in Iran school strike​

China said on Friday that it will donate $200,000 to the parents of the students killed in the airstrike on the Shajareh Tayyebeh primary school in Iran, AFP reports.
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This war, like pretty much everything else in this presidency, has been such an incredible gift to China. Not only are we drawing down our military assets in the Pacific Rim, but we're also cementing a future alliance between China and Iran. I suspect this will end up being the greatest triumph yet in China's Belt and Road Initiative.
 
lawtig02 said:
This war, like pretty much everything else in this presidency, has been such an incredible gift to China. Not only are we drawing down our military assets in the Pacific Rim, but we're also cementing a future alliance between China and Iran. I suspect this will end up being the greatest triumph yet in China's Belt and Road Initiative.
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The only consolation in this fiasco is knowing that by the time China becomes the world's predominant superpower I'll be gone and won't have to live in it.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
If you listen to Trump and his minions like Hegseth, you can easily tell that a big part of fighting a conflict like this is the personal thrill they get from being able to say (true or not) "We have the most awesomest military on Earth and we can utterly destroy you in a couple of hours if we want to", which is something that a twelve-year old punk would say. And their wrong belief that all of our wars will be easy and quick and without any real cost to us. Not to mention that we should have learned repeatedly over the past sixty or so years that having the world's most powerful military didn't lead to victory in Vietnam, Lebanon (1982), Somalia (1993), Iraq, or Afghanistan. We (or rather our government and large (MAGA) sections of our population) simply refuse to learn the lesson that having a very powerful military doesn't necessarily lead to quick and easy victories, nor prevent those we are fighting from being able to cause damage to us, economically, physically, and otherwise.
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Yeah I really do think that Trump's primary enthusiasm for this war is getting to sit in the "Situation Room" and watch things go boom. He got a taste of it with the Maduro raid and now he wants more.
 
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