Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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BlueSteel said:
Just for fun, let's imagine if all of this shit was being allowed to happen under a Dem majority House, Senate and POTUS. :unsure:
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Not imaginable. Not because democrats are smart. Just because nobody is as dumb and blind as Trump and his sycophant followers.
 
thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
Trump just lost a war to Iran from winging it. Zero plan therefore we lost lives, billions of dollars, and access the strait...and killing our economy.

You defend everything Trump... as opposed to the best interest of America. Every other president for the last five decades has ignored this hornet's nest... what do you think the benefit to the American people is here?

Also, what do you think Donald Trump from acting?

1- bluffing the whole time?

2- real concerned about war crimes/impeachment

3- concerned that the military may not completely fall through him seating more power

4- deal progress was satisfactory?

5 - other

Why do you think Trump backed down from his threats?
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I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.
That's right, every other president for 5 decades has kicked the iran can down the road and how many tens of thousands of people, including Americans, are dead because of that? I don't agree with anything he has said since the "war" started. he has hurt himself and the country through his messaging, as has hegseth. It wasn't my ideal time to act and reasonable people can debate that but if he wanted to take out the regime in one instance and have the support of the rest of the ME, there was no time for consensus building. You can disagree and say consensus building was more important than killing their top 50, but that doesn't make his decision illogical.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred. liberals and the liberal media hate trump worse than the regime that kills women for showing their hair, kills gays and trans just for being gay or trans, and kills its on people for dare disagreeing with anything they say. They want iran to win.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it. Its the lunatic left and lunatic right that is losing its mind saying he has become insane. it isn't the sane people in either party. I found his comments from the weekend and leading up to tuesday night to be over the top and harmful to his goal and the public's perception. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.

impeachment? lol, like racist, fascist, etc., it has lost all meaning due to the left's obsession and threats because they don't get their way. that and shutting the g'ment down is the left's go to for everything they disagree with. the left will take control of the house and maybe the senate after the mid-terms and their first order of business will be to impeach trump, not solve problems. they will waste months on it and he will still be there but the hatred consumes them. so yea, he will be impeached and it will amount to nothing but more anger and division from the public.

not sure what you are asking from 3, 4, & 5

as stated above, trump always starts at the extreme and moves backward. google his negotiating style. he never (not that he could anyway) intended to remove the US from nato. That is just his way of saying he is pissed at nato and will take some punitive action, but removing the US was never an intention. again, start with the extreme and work backwards. but it sure did get the attention of nato. trump has been at fault in his comments and how he has "managed" nato's response, but he is right in many respects and much of europe is acting cowardly due to its liberal immigration policies which now has them cowering due to fear of internal terrorist attacks from muslims they allowed in. he is also right that nato needs to be reworked and those countries footing more of the cost. that is an America first policy.

i don't buy trump's and the right wing media's claim that this is a big win for the US. it is incomplete and still at risk of iran "winning" if iran control's the strait and is allowed to charge tolls for passage. trump is up against an angry / misinformed (partly due to his rhetoric) / inpatient public and hostile / agenda driven media that has put him in a time crunch. The strait has to be opened up for free, unencumbered passage.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.
That's right, every other president for 5 decades has kicked the iran can down the road and how many tens of thousands of people, including Americans, are dead because of that? I don't agree with anything he has said since the "war" started. he has hurt himself and the country through his messaging, as has hegseth. It wasn't my ideal time to act and reasonable people can debate that but if he wanted to take out the regime in one instance and have the support of the rest of the ME, there was no time for consensus building. You can disagree and say consensus building was more important than killing their top 50, but that doesn't make his decision illogical.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred. liberals and the liberal media hate trump worse than the regime that kills women for showing their hair, kills gays and trans just for being gay or trans, and kills its on people for dare disagreeing with anything they say. They want iran to win.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it. Its the lunatic left and lunatic right that is losing its mind saying he has become insane. it isn't the sane people in either party. I found his comments from the weekend and leading up to tuesday night to be over the top and harmful to his goal and the public's perception. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.

impeachment? lol, like racist, fascist, etc., it has lost all meaning due to the left's obsession and threats because they don't get their way. that and shutting the g'ment down is the left's go to for everything they disagree with. the left will take control of the house and maybe the senate after the mid-terms and their first order of business will be to impeach trump, not solve problems. they will waste months on it and he will still be there but the hatred consumes them. so yea, he will be impeached and it will amount to nothing but more anger and division from the public.

not sure what you are asking from 3, 4, & 5

as stated above, trump always starts at the extreme and moves backward. google his negotiating style. he never (not that he could anyway) intended to remove the US from nato. That is just his way of saying he is pissed at nato and will take some punitive action, but removing the US was never an intention. again, start with the extreme and work backwards. but it sure did get the attention of nato. trump has been at fault in his comments and how he has "managed" nato's response, but he is right in many respects and much of europe is acting cowardly due to its liberal immigration policies which now has them cowering due to fear of internal terrorist attacks from muslims they allowed in. he is also right that nato needs to be reworked and those countries footing more of the cost. that is an America first policy.

i don't buy trump's and the right wing media's claim that this is a big win for the US. it is incomplete and still at risk of iran "winning" if iran control's the strait and is allowed to charge tolls for passage. trump is up against an angry / misinformed (partly due to his rhetoric) / inpatient public and hostile / agenda driven media that has put him in a time crunch. The strait has to be opened up for free, unencumbered passage.
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tl;dr version:

It’s the liberal’s and media’s fault!
 
Callatoroy said:
Comprehension not your strong suit? at least twice i said trump was at fault. it's the liberals and media's fault they put our false shit and you believe it.
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I can comprehend that deficit spending and tariffs lead to higher inflation and higher mortgage rates. Something that escapes you and other children who don’t understand how the world works.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.
That's right, every other president for 5 decades has kicked the iran can down the road and how many tens of thousands of people, including Americans, are dead because of that? I don't agree with anything he has said since the "war" started. he has hurt himself and the country through his messaging, as has hegseth. It wasn't my ideal time to act and reasonable people can debate that but if he wanted to take out the regime in one instance and have the support of the rest of the ME, there was no time for consensus building. You can disagree and say consensus building was more important than killing their top 50, but that doesn't make his decision illogical.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred. liberals and the liberal media hate trump worse than the regime that kills women for showing their hair, kills gays and trans just for being gay or trans, and kills its on people for dare disagreeing with anything they say. They want iran to win.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it. Its the lunatic left and lunatic right that is losing its mind saying he has become insane. it isn't the sane people in either party. I found his comments from the weekend and leading up to tuesday night to be over the top and harmful to his goal and the public's perception. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.

impeachment? lol, like racist, fascist, etc., it has lost all meaning due to the left's obsession and threats because they don't get their way. that and shutting the g'ment down is the left's go to for everything they disagree with. the left will take control of the house and maybe the senate after the mid-terms and their first order of business will be to impeach trump, not solve problems. they will waste months on it and he will still be there but the hatred consumes them. so yea, he will be impeached and it will amount to nothing but more anger and division from the public.

not sure what you are asking from 3, 4, & 5

as stated above, trump always starts at the extreme and moves backward. google his negotiating style. he never (not that he could anyway) intended to remove the US from nato. That is just his way of saying he is pissed at nato and will take some punitive action, but removing the US was never an intention. again, start with the extreme and work backwards. but it sure did get the attention of nato. trump has been at fault in his comments and how he has "managed" nato's response, but he is right in many respects and much of europe is acting cowardly due to its liberal immigration policies which now has them cowering due to fear of internal terrorist attacks from muslims they allowed in. he is also right that nato needs to be reworked and those countries footing more of the cost. that is an America first policy.

i don't buy trump's and the right wing media's claim that this is a big win for the US. it is incomplete and still at risk of iran "winning" if iran control's the strait and is allowed to charge tolls for passage. trump is up against an angry / misinformed (partly due to his rhetoric) / inpatient public and hostile / agenda driven media that has put him in a time crunch. The strait has to be opened up for free, unencumbered passage.
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You think Trump is a rational actor. We, on the left, do not. He fucked up royally by starting this war.
 
ChileG said:
I can comprehend that deficit spending and tariffs lead to higher inflation and higher mortgage rates. Something that escapes you and other children who don’t understand how the world works.
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only when its republican's deficit spending and tariffs because dems don't engage in deficit spending and tariffs.
 
Callatoroy said:
well?
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Well, what? You are reduced at this point to saying the man you voted to lead this great nation and to command the greatest military ever assembled on this planet was either lying or ignorant when he said we're close to a deal with Iran based on a nonexistent 10-point plan that they never offered. That's the closest you can get to a victory in this. So congratulations, I guess. That's certainly one way to defend this shitshow of a "deal."
 
Bobfripp said:
You think Trump is a rational actor. We, on the left, do not. He fucked up royally by starting this war.
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see dr. bob, i can respect that. i think he fucked up, but not by starting it. we are where we are now, so i would hope there would be more agreement on where we go from here.
 
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