Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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Callatoroy said:
only when its republican's deficit spending and tariffs because dems don't engage in deficit spending and tariffs.
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Fortunately the past 3 Democratic Presidents have handed a smaller deficit to their successor than the one they inherited. Unfortunately the reverse has been true with Republican Presidents.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.
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1. The Geneva Convention was signed after WWII. Anything in WWII therefore doesn't count. If you think Nixon was not accused of war crimes for the escalation in Vietnam, then you should read more history. It's been the plot point of how many movies? "I was in Cambodia, man. We were there."

2. You are right that he makes wild statements and backs off, but your logic is wrong. Because sometimes he doesn't back off. He really did put those tariffs in place. He really did blockade Cuba. He really did pressure NATO about Greenland and caused a rift in the alliance. He really did let Elon loose on the government.

So when he makes wild statements, it's actually not possible to tell if he is serious.

3. I don't think anyone here "lapped up" the story about the 10 points. I certainly didn't. I even expressed skepticism. The larger point is that obviously Iran is winning in terms of its strategic objectives. Whether or not Trump agreed to everything, Iran now controls the conversation.

4. Iran is winning this war. You have to understand, it's an asymmetric fight. We have to accomplish a lot more to win, because that's the fight we chose. Mostly the clerics are only trying to survive and get the US to go away. So it's easier.

We can't be winning because nobody has any idea what we are trying to do. If I'm playing Wemby one-on-one, he can dunk on me forever but if we're playing in a high school gym with six hoops and he's dunking on the wrong hoop, then he will not win.

And that is exactly what is happening now. Trump and Hegseth are like Shaq. They are dunking all over Iran. But the problem is that they don't know which hoop is theirs. they are just dunking randomly and you cannot win a basketball game or a war that way
 
Callatoroy said:
i would hope there would be more agreement on where we go from here.
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Where DO we go from here Calla? Ending the war as it is, with Iran charging for ships to go through the Hormuz strait is bad, but continuing the war without clear objectives is worse. Now it's just a matter of picking the least of many evils, thanks to Trump.
 
Callatoroy said:
see dr. bob, i can respect that. i think he fucked up, but not by starting it. we are where we are now, so i would hope there would be more agreement on where we go from here.
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No, you don’t get to do that. Your guy fucked us all. That’s a direct result of your vote. You don’t get to put the burden of fixing his fuck up on all of us who told you you were fucking up by voting for him. You and every person who voted for Trump own the fuck up we’re sitting in right now. Don’t whine when we call you out for that.
 
It's pretty clear we're finally in the moment all of the "normal" conservatives who said we were all overreacting when we said Trump would be an existential disaster are realizing we were right and they were wrong. I know that realization sucks, but don't put that shit on us. We're the ones who told you not to fuck up, only to watch you do it anyway. Own your mistakes. It won't absolve you of responsibility for what we're dealing with now, but it will at least show us you're not a complete sociopath.
 
Callatoroy said:
see dr. bob, i can respect that. i think he fucked up, but not by starting it. we are where we are now, so i would hope there would be more agreement on where we go from here.
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There is nowhere to go from here. That's the problem. Trump took away all our options. Nobody is going to help us in any meaningful capacity. If we leave, Iran emerges stronger than before. If we stay, the world economy collapses. I mean, Stay, Go or Get Help are really the only three options and they are all losers at this point.
 
lawtig02 said:
Well, what? You are reduced at this point to saying the man you voted to lead this great nation and to command the greatest military ever assembled on this planet was either lying or ignorant when he said we're close to a deal with Iran based on a nonexistent 10-point plan that they never offered. That's the closest you can get to a victory in this. So congratulations, I guess. That's certainly one way to defend this shitshow of a "deal."
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not reduced to saying anything. I'm not the one who was having multiple orgasams at the misinformation that the left's media put out based on believing iranian sources. the sheer joy that this board displayed thinking trump agreed to iran's wish list was both comical and proof that some on here actually do want iran to win to spite trump. thats true tds. i was merely pointing out how utterly foolish and idiotic the left is in believing anything that much of your media puts out. cnn, the guardian, iran officials, etc. how many times before the left verifies before blowing its load prematurely.

i'm not claiming any type of victory. we don't have an outcome. he could still lose by bowing to public pressue and not having the strait opened. i don't think he will and hope he doesn't but he is desperate to claim he won.
 
Callatoroy said:
not reduced to saying anything. I'm not the one who was having multiple orgasams at the misinformation that the left's media put out based on believing iranian sources. the sheer joy that this board displayed thinking trump agreed to iran's wish list was both comical and proof that some on here actually do want iran to win to spite trump. thats true tds. i was merely pointing out how utterly foolish and idiotic the left is in believing anything that much of your media puts out. cnn, the guardian, iran officials, etc. how many times before the left verifies before blowing its load prematurely.

i'm not claiming any type of victory. we don't have an outcome. he could still lose by bowing to public pressue and not having the strait opened. i don't think he will and hope he doesn't but he is desperate to claim he won.
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You're saying he was ignorant, not lying. Congratulations.
 
Callatoroy said:
not reduced to saying anything. I'm not the one who was having multiple orgasams at the misinformation that the left's media put out based on believing iranian sources. the sheer joy that this board displayed thinking trump agreed to iran's wish list was both comical and proof that some on here actually do want iran to win to spite trump. thats true tds. i was merely pointing out how utterly foolish and idiotic the left is in believing anything that much of your media puts out. cnn, the guardian, iran officials, etc. how many times before the left verifies before blowing its load prematurely.

i'm not claiming any type of victory. we don't have an outcome. he could still lose by bowing to public pressue and not having the strait opened. i don't think he will and hope he doesn't but he is desperate to claim he won.
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Didn't you say watch what he does, not what he says?

What he is doing is consistent with acceding to the Iranian demands. Iran is still attacking people and Trump is doing nothing about it. He's talking about the next conquest. Sort of what you do in the 4th quarter when the football team is down three touchdowns. We'll win next week!
 
lawtig02 said:
It's pretty clear we're finally in the moment all of the "normal" conservatives who said we were all overreacting when we said Trump would be an existential disaster are realizing we were right and they were wrong. I know that realization sucks, but don't put that shit on us. We're the ones who told you not to fuck up, only to watch you do it anyway. Own your mistakes. It won't absolve you of responsibility for what we're dealing with now, but it will at least show us you're not a complete sociopath.
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The party of personal responsibility will bear none. It will always be someone else's fault.
 
Callatoroy said:
not reduced to saying anything. I'm not the one who was having multiple orgasams at the misinformation that the left's media put out based on believing iranian sources. the sheer joy that this board displayed thinking trump agreed to iran's wish list was both comical and proof that some on here actually do want iran to win to spite trump. thats true tds. i was merely pointing out how utterly foolish and idiotic the left is in believing anything that much of your media puts out. cnn, the guardian, iran officials, etc. how many times before the left verifies before blowing its load prematurely.

i'm not claiming any type of victory. we don't have an outcome. he could still lose by bowing to public pressue and not having the strait opened. i don't think he will and hope he doesn't but he is desperate to claim he won.
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You are comparing Trump fucking up the world economy and making a mockery of our standing in the world to some liberals supposedly believing a false ceasefire agreement? I mean, even assuming there was widespread belief of some false agreement, who gives a shit as compared to the absolute quagmire Trump has gotten us into. And it's not like it's even clear what the agreement was since Trump's messaging changes on a daily basis. Supposedly it was something about Iran opening up the straight and a pause in bombing, but near as I can tell we have neither. Can you tell us what the agreement was since you apparently have incredible insight into it? Your guy did this and no amount of bitching about TDS is going to change that.
 
Callatoroy said:
ion. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.
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Here is what he said (there are other similar quotes):

"We have a plan, because of the power of our military, where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business — burning, exploding and never to be used again,"

Are you arguing following through on that would not have been a war crime?

Or are you arguing this, and anything else he says, isn't real? And the liberal media shouldn't report on what he said, or liberals shouldn't read what he said? And liberals shouldn't have any reaction to what he said, nothing he says matters?
 
superrific said:
Didn't you say watch what he does, not what he says?

What he is doing is consistent with acceding to the Iranian demands. Iran is still attacking people and Trump is doing nothing about it. He's talking about the next conquest. Sort of what you do in the 4th quarter when the football team is down three touchdowns. We'll win next week!
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Plus, Trump 100% said his plan was to allow Iran to control the strait and charge fees on the ships passing through.
Is there anything in the 10 point plan that won’t actually come to fruition? Probably not (in some form or fashion).
What is clear is that the USA is now negotiating from a position of weakness, not strength, and that is 100% on Trump. Or maybe 75% on Trump and 25% on those dumb enough to vote for him.
 
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