Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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Bobfripp said:
Where DO we go from here Calla? Ending the war as it is, with Iran charging for ships to go through the Hormuz strait is bad, but continuing the war without clear objectives is worse. Now it's just a matter of picking the least of many evils, thanks to Trump.
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the messaging has been a disaster and won't get any better because that group doesn't understand the importance and trump contradicts himself so much so you have to apply common sense. there are several key things that could be accomplished but not all of them have to be accomplished for it to be a "win" The bare minimum is the strait opened and not in iran's control. can't leave before that or it will have been a waste. i'm more on the you are there now, finish the job side. open the strait, secure the uranium (doesn't mean we have to possess it but I would prefer we did) short term - 6 weeks and we are out. collapse their economy, arm the population longer term and that doesn't require an entire armada on site.

I would also give nato an ultimatum (with consequences) in private to assist in opening the strait. iran did have a bm that would reach western europe that nobody thought they had. that won't happen though because trump can't keep his mouth shut.

what is your preference?
 
The talking point used on this thread that every other President except Trump has kicked the Iran can down the road. Well, didn't Iran turn over 11,000 KG of enriched uranium when Obama did his deal? Now I don't know much about the different grades of enrichment, but it looks to me that the talking point is false.
 
BlueSmoke said:
The talking point used on this thread that every other President except Trump has kicked the Iran can down the road. Well, didn't Iran turn over 11,000 KG of enriched uranium when Obama did his deal? Now I don't know much about the different grades of enrichment, but it looks to me that the talking point is false.
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educate yourself about the deal and its sunset provisions.
 
Callatoroy said:
the messaging has been a disaster and won't get any better because that group doesn't understand the importance and trump contradicts himself so much so you have to apply common sense. there are several key things that could be accomplished but not all of them have to be accomplished for it to be a "win" The bare minimum is the strait opened and not in iran's control. can't leave before that or it will have been a waste. i'm more on the you are there now, finish the job side. open the strait, secure the uranium (doesn't mean we have to possess it but I would prefer we did) short term - 6 weeks and we are out. collapse their economy, arm the population longer term and that doesn't require an entire armada on site.

I would also give nato an ultimatum (with consequences) in private to assist in opening the strait. iran did have a bm that would reach western europe that nobody thought they had. that won't happen though because trump can't keep his mouth shut.

what is your preference?
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So is the ultimatum we will leave NATO which is an alliance that has protected our national security since 1949 ?

Please say no that is not the ultimatum 🙏
 
Callatoroy said:
if that is your take then he wasn't alone. everyone on this board celebrating the false reporting was equally as ignorant.
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And how is it that you know the revealed truth? You come across as a pie in the sky moron whose lips are firmly glued to Trump's ass. Your predictions so far point in the same direction. So do the results of what we've done so far. Why do you insist in wanting more of a Humpty Dumpty situation than we have?
 
Hilarious that Callatoroy is taking this forum to task for not knowing what the ceasefire agreement was when THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOESN’TEVEN KNOW WHAT THE CEASEFIRE AGREEMANT WAS!!! (And neither does Callatoroy, for what it is worth).

lololololol. Like I said, Callatoroy is so bad at whatever it is he is trying to accomplish here.
 
Callatoroy said:
the messaging has been a disaster and won't get any better because that group doesn't understand the importance and trump contradicts himself so much so you have to apply common sense. there are several key things that could be accomplished but not all of them have to be accomplished for it to be a "win" The bare minimum is the strait opened and not in iran's control. can't leave before that or it will have been a waste. i'm more on the you are there now, finish the job side. open the strait, secure the uranium (doesn't mean we have to possess it but I would prefer we did) short term - 6 weeks and we are out. collapse their economy, arm the population longer term and that doesn't require an entire armada on site.

I would also give nato an ultimatum (with consequences) in private to assist in opening the strait. iran did have a bm that would reach western europe that nobody thought they had. that won't happen though because trump can't keep his mouth shut.

what is your preference?
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It all depends on what Iran will accept now. I doubt if Iran will open the strait AND give up it's enriched uranium without some serious compensation from the US/Israel. And it's unlikely the US/Israel will provide that compensation because it would appear that US/Israel have 'lost' the war, even though they severely degraded Iran's military capability (BMs/drones/uranium and the factories that make them). I guess we have no choice but to see how this shitshow plays out.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.
That's right, every other president for 5 decades has kicked the iran can down the road and how many tens of thousands of people, including Americans, are dead because of that? I don't agree with anything he has said since the "war" started. he has hurt himself and the country through his messaging, as has hegseth. It wasn't my ideal time to act and reasonable people can debate that but if he wanted to take out the regime in one instance and have the support of the rest of the ME, there was no time for consensus building. You can disagree and say consensus building was more important than killing their top 50, but that doesn't make his decision illogical.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred. liberals and the liberal media hate trump worse than the regime that kills women for showing their hair, kills gays and trans just for being gay or trans, and kills its on people for dare disagreeing with anything they say. They want iran to win.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it. Its the lunatic left and lunatic right that is losing its mind saying he has become insane. it isn't the sane people in either party. I found his comments from the weekend and leading up to tuesday night to be over the top and harmful to his goal and the public's perception. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.

impeachment? lol, like racist, fascist, etc., it has lost all meaning due to the left's obsession and threats because they don't get their way. that and shutting the g'ment down is the left's go to for everything they disagree with. the left will take control of the house and maybe the senate after the mid-terms and their first order of business will be to impeach trump, not solve problems. they will waste months on it and he will still be there but the hatred consumes them. so yea, he will be impeached and it will amount to nothing but more anger and division from the public.

not sure what you are asking from 3, 4, & 5

as stated above, trump always starts at the extreme and moves backward. google his negotiating style. he never (not that he could anyway) intended to remove the US from nato. That is just his way of saying he is pissed at nato and will take some punitive action, but removing the US was never an intention. again, start with the extreme and work backwards. but it sure did get the attention of nato. trump has been at fault in his comments and how he has "managed" nato's response, but he is right in many respects and much of europe is acting cowardly due to its liberal immigration policies which now has them cowering due to fear of internal terrorist attacks from muslims they allowed in. he is also right that nato needs to be reworked and those countries footing more of the cost. that is an America first policy.

i don't buy trump's and the right wing media's claim that this is a big win for the US. it is incomplete and still at risk of iran "winning" if iran control's the strait and is allowed to charge tolls for passage. trump is up against an angry / misinformed (partly due to his rhetoric) / inpatient public and hostile / agenda driven media that has put him in a time crunch. The strait has to be opened up for free, unencumbered passage.
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I’ll turn this around to you: what the president of the United States says matters. Extreme rhetoric is not helpful. This is not negotiating gold plating a bathroom. This is global politics. Why must MAGA continually excuse this dangerous rhetoric as just a negotiation tactic? Trump’s rhetoric not only fuels hatred and diplomatic unease, it also gives excuse to hate in our society. But we are just supposed to ignore it? No. In fact he needs to be blasted for it more. It is awful. It should be continually called out and criticized.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don't defend everything trump and have been critical, on this board, of many things he has said and done.
That's right, every other president for 5 decades has kicked the iran can down the road and how many tens of thousands of people, including Americans, are dead because of that? I don't agree with anything he has said since the "war" started. he has hurt himself and the country through his messaging, as has hegseth. It wasn't my ideal time to act and reasonable people can debate that but if he wanted to take out the regime in one instance and have the support of the rest of the ME, there was no time for consensus building. You can disagree and say consensus building was more important than killing their top 50, but that doesn't make his decision illogical.

We haven't lost a war to iran. the only people who think that are liberals and the liberal media that keeps you misinformed. this board lapped up the immediate false reports from liberal media that the US had agreed to iran's fantasy wish list because it wanted it to be true due to trump hatred. liberals and the liberal media hate trump worse than the regime that kills women for showing their hair, kills gays and trans just for being gay or trans, and kills its on people for dare disagreeing with anything they say. They want iran to win.

Why can't the left understand making wild statements and then backing off that is what he ALWAYS does as its part of his negotiating tactic. Its been written about ad nauseum, but liberals still keep falling for it. Its the lunatic left and lunatic right that is losing its mind saying he has become insane. it isn't the sane people in either party. I found his comments from the weekend and leading up to tuesday night to be over the top and harmful to his goal and the public's perception. watch what he does, not what he says.

there is no guarantee of war crimes for attacking iran's bridges and electrical grid. it is conditional to several factors. it has been done before by previous presidents and they weren't accused of war crimes. but, because its trump, liberals hatred has trumped common sense, logic, and historical knowledge. liberal media however has convinced this board that if trump attacked iran's electrical grid its a war crime and again, like drug addicts, libs ate it up.

impeachment? lol, like racist, fascist, etc., it has lost all meaning due to the left's obsession and threats because they don't get their way. that and shutting the g'ment down is the left's go to for everything they disagree with. the left will take control of the house and maybe the senate after the mid-terms and their first order of business will be to impeach trump, not solve problems. they will waste months on it and he will still be there but the hatred consumes them. so yea, he will be impeached and it will amount to nothing but more anger and division from the public.

not sure what you are asking from 3, 4, & 5

as stated above, trump always starts at the extreme and moves backward. google his negotiating style. he never (not that he could anyway) intended to remove the US from nato. That is just his way of saying he is pissed at nato and will take some punitive action, but removing the US was never an intention. again, start with the extreme and work backwards. but it sure did get the attention of nato. trump has been at fault in his comments and how he has "managed" nato's response, but he is right in many respects and much of europe is acting cowardly due to its liberal immigration policies which now has them cowering due to fear of internal terrorist attacks from muslims they allowed in. he is also right that nato needs to be reworked and those countries footing more of the cost. that is an America first policy.

i don't buy trump's and the right wing media's claim that this is a big win for the US. it is incomplete and still at risk of iran "winning" if iran control's the strait and is allowed to charge tolls for passage. trump is up against an angry / misinformed (partly due to his rhetoric) / inpatient public and hostile / agenda driven media that has put him in a time crunch. The strait has to be opened up for free, unencumbered passage.
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Why is the US responsible for controlling Iran? I’m all for going in w our allies if they agree there’s a problem but us attacking them on our own (even w Israel) doesn’t seem like a good idea. Do the rest of our allies think Iran is about to have and use a nuclear weapon?

And I did a search about how many Americans have died over the last 50 years due to Iran. It estimated over a 1000. That’s certainly bad but I don’t know that it constitutes an emergency right now.
 
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