Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR - US to BLOCKADE Strait

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don't disagree with you. It does matter. However, we have never had a potus anything like trump. I think the world knows his bluster has to be taken with a grain of salt. trump isn't liked by many world leaders but they also don't have tds like this board does so yes, it is bad but its actually worse here than abroad. I don't excuse his rhetoric. I condemn a great deal of what he says. But what can anyone do at this point other than understand it. He isn't going to change who he is at 80 years old. He will be gone in 3 years and i think the rest of the world recognizes it and can adapt for the short period of time.
Yeah, starting needless wars, tanking the economy, using ICE as his personal militia against people with brown skin, using the office for his own personal gain, and trying to cover up his crimes as a rapist and pedophile isn't a big deal. People should just go with the flow.
 
Yeah, starting needless wars, tanking the economy, using ICE as his personal militia against people with brown skin, using the office for his own personal gain, and trying to cover up his crimes as a rapist and pedophile isn't a big deal. People should just go with the flow.
Yeah, Trump's "bluster" was so effective and not harmful that it's likely the main reason why our traditional allies refused to help us in this stupid war. Trump has spent a decade slamming and insulting our allies in public in every way possible, and it damn sure affected their decisions on whether to help us or not. That's just human nature. The only people who really have TDS are his supporters who are twisting themselves into ever more painful contortions of logic to justify supporting him and his dumbass decisions on pretty much everything under the sun.
 
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1. I guess we are responsible for iran because nobody else in the world has ever stepped up. The world (including iran's allies) doesn't want to see iran with nukes. However, everyone has sat by and done nothing except for israel.

2. As bad as things are right now, it would be worse if israel had gone alone. And israel was determined to strike when they knew they could get their leadership in one place. So gas prices were going up regardless if we went or not. The only way to keep them down would have been to persuade israel not to attack.

3. Because iran is sincere in their motto of death to the great satan. Have to take them at their word.

4. I don't know what intelligence our allies have on iran's nuke program. They sure didn't know iran had a BM that would reach western europe. Of course neither did we until iran fired it.

Is there convincing evidence that Iran was about to have a nuclear bomb? And if so what did our allies say about it? And every other administration has worked much more closely w our allies than Trumps has. Why? The suspicion of course is that Trump trusts Putin more than our other allies. Of any admin, this one needs to show us more willingness to work w our lifelong allies.

And does it not bother you that Trump ran on a peace platform and within a year he’s changing the dept of defense to the dept of war? Then attacks Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and talks of taking Greenland? Where does it end?

Not to mention how Trump has acted about the whole Ukraine thing. Do you believe for one minute that Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if, “Trump had been President”? You realize that’s a bunch of bs right? How is anybody sympathetic to Russia for what they’ve done to Ukraine?
 
It all depends on what Iran will accept now. I doubt if Iran will open the strait AND give up it's enriched uranium without some serious compensation from the US/Israel. And it's unlikely the US/Israel will provide that compensation because it would appear that US/Israel have 'lost' the war, even though they severely degraded Iran's military capability (BMs/drones/uranium and the factories that make them). I guess we have no choice but to see how this shitshow plays out.
I believe we are closer to revolution in iran than many believe. I'm in no way advocating invading iran to wipe out the iranian guard, but i am in favor of using our special forces to take karg island and in special ops along the strait. At this point, it would be better to facilitate. It's much less costly in terms of money and loss of life to take karg, attack the electric grid, and choke off their economy to bring about revolution than any other method that might be used.
 
Does all of Canada have TDS too? Because as far as I can tell, they fucking hate Trump. They hate him so much they have completely reoriented their natoinal and foreign economic policies. I'm pretty sure I heard the Canadian PM talk about how the old relationship between Canada and the US is over.

I guess he also is just not used to Trump's bluster and has TDS and doesn't know how to read Trump and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with tariffs, refusal to allow bridge openings, making the border a difficult and sometimes dangerous experience, constant belittling insults.

Nope, everyone in the world just has TDS.
 
is it just me or has actual news on the story of the year just vanished? aside from Trumps rants, what have we learned in the last 3 days?
An overlooked aspect of this has been how effective governments in the entire region have been at suppressing news of the war. The all learned from the Arab Spring that free flow of citizen reporting undermined their regimes.

Iran has been in an internet blackout imposed by the regime since bombing commenced. CNN got a reporter in there for just a handful of days. That probably doesn’t surprise anyone.

But the UAE and Qatar and Saudi Arabia have had a virtual news blackout as well. Tourists and expats unaware of how restrictive media control in the region have been arrested for violating strict social media restrictions where even anodyne seeming posts can be deemed violations of national security.



Israel has been targeting journalists cross the region for years and got a brief spate of bad press for it when they captured and beat a CNN news team. But they’ve made it far too dangerous for many western media (which are also cutting way back on field staff) to tolerate sending their reporters beyond state-sanctioned locations.

And the Pentagon has banished traditional media from its midst, replacing them with sycophantic propaganda sites and even berating them if questions aren’t friendly enough. Hegseth has also cracked down on Stars and Stripes and ended prior media embed policies for military action. Trump has repeatedly threatened to investigate US media for claimed national security breaches (though his threats don’t have much teeth due the the 1st Amendment) and the FCC has repeatedly threatened broadcast licenses.

The direct and effective government attacks upon, and the strategic but hopefully temporary retreat of, the Fourth Estate is an important shadow story of this conflict.
 
Is there convincing evidence that Iran was about to have a nuclear bomb? And if so what did our allies say about it? And every other administration has worked much more closely w our allies than Trumps has. Why? The suspicion of course is that Trump trusts Putin more than our other allies. Of any admin, this one needs to show us more willingness to work w our lifelong allies.

And does it not bother you that Trump ran on a peace platform and within a year he’s changing the dept of defense to the dept of war? Then attacks Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and talks of taking Greenland? Where does it end?

Not to mention how Trump has acted about the whole Ukraine thing. Do you believe for one minute that Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if, “Trump had been President”? You realize that’s a bunch of bs right? How is anybody sympathetic to Russia for what they’ve done to Ukraine?
Is there any convincing evidence Israel would have gone about the strikes alone?
 
don't disagree with you. It does matter. However, we have never had a potus anything like trump. I think the world knows his bluster has to be taken with a grain of salt. trump isn't liked by many world leaders but they also don't have tds like this board does so yes, it is bad but its actually worse here than abroad. I don't excuse his rhetoric. I condemn a great deal of what he says. But what can anyone do at this point other than understand it. He isn't going to change who he is at 80 years old. He will be gone in 3 years and i think the rest of the world recognizes it and can adapt for the short period of time.
I think you apply the TDS label to the wrong group. The sycophants and the excuse makers are really those with TDS.

The problem with just accepting Trump as is, though, also establishes precedent and normalizes egregious behavior for the future.
 
I believe we are closer to revolution in iran than many believe. I'm in no way advocating invading iran to wipe out the iranian guard, but i am in favor of using our special forces to take karg island and in special ops along the strait. At this point, it would be better to facilitate. It's much less costly in terms of money and loss of life to take karg, attack the electric grid, and choke off their economy to bring about revolution than any other method that might be used.
Will the (counter) revolutionaries in Iran be armed? How? With what? The IRGC seems largely loyal to the regime and unless it splinters into at least one separatist group, there will be no uprising. The Iranian people, no matter how they detest the regime, aren't going to be able to topple it themselves.
 
Does all of Canada have TDS too? Because as far as I can tell, they fucking hate Trump. They hate him so much they have completely reoriented their natoinal and foreign economic policies. I'm pretty sure I heard the Canadian PM talk about how the old relationship between Canada and the US is over.

I guess he also is just not used to Trump's bluster and has TDS and doesn't know how to read Trump and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with tariffs, refusal to allow bridge openings, making the border a difficult and sometimes dangerous experience, constant belittling insults.

Nope, everyone in the world just has TDS.
Correct. Orban and Putin and MAGA are the only people in the world with any sense.
 
Is there convincing evidence that Iran was about to have a nuclear bomb? And if so what did our allies say about it? And every other administration has worked much more closely w our allies than Trumps has. Why? The suspicion of course is that Trump trusts Putin more than our other allies. Of any admin, this one needs to show us more willingness to work w our lifelong allies.

And does it not bother you that Trump ran on a peace platform and within a year he’s changing the dept of defense to the dept of war? Then attacks Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and talks of taking Greenland? Where does it end?

Not to mention how Trump has acted about the whole Ukraine thing. Do you believe for one minute that Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if, “Trump had been President”? You realize that’s a bunch of bs right? How is anybody sympathetic to Russia for what they’ve done to Ukraine?
I agree with trump that nato has been riding our coattails for decades with the US funding the bulk of nato. No other potus felt it necessary to seek more accountability from europe. europe was content to rely on us for its security. The nato framework needs to be reworked. I was stunned to learn that countries who offer no financial or military support have the same veto power we have. That isn't right and in the best interest of the US. he can't pull the US out of nato, but he can and will use that threat and other leverage to rework nato in a manner more beneficial to the US.

i don't think trump trusts putin more than nato. imo, that is a myth perpetuated by the left because trump chooses to deal with russia and china differently than other presidents. his rhetoric isn't as harsh because he thinks flattery gives him a better negotiating position. why he thinks that is probably because it works on him. he likes having his ass kissed and it works when people do it. but his actions are equally as tough or more so than obama or biden. they never authorized the use of lethal assistance. trump gave approval for ukraine to use lethal assistance.

I never understood the dept of war thing. to me its a bad take but again, that is trivial in the grand scheme. He did run on a no war platform. he has allowed the left and media to make that into a major talking point. these pubs are the absolute worst at messaging. i have read on this board that some think the left is bad at it but the left runs circles around the pubs when it comes to messaging. the only "war", which isn't the correct term but for the sake of discussion we will go with it, is iran. venezula was a few hours raid and by all accounts has been a huge success. he hasn't taken any action but use rhetoric regarding greenland or cuba. trump was NEVER going to use force to take greenland. in fact, nato's non help in iran gives him more influence regarding greenland because he can make getting more concessions part of europe's olive branch to him. I don't know what to make of cuba. again, he threatens the worst but in the end never uses the worst.

I absolutely believe russia wouldn't have invaded ukraine under trump. people like putin, xi, radical muslims don't respect weakness. like it or not, obama and biden, especially biden were perceived as weak when it came to foreigh policy. what was the obama/biden response to the first invasion of ukraine? then what was biden's response to the 2nd invasion? putin was never fearful of their responses. countries are more fearful of trump because he is so unpredictable. when he speaks about greenland, nato, etc. people have to take it treat it differently. he isn't afraid to use the clout of the US as a club where as other presidents have been reluctant to use it in as forceful a nature. it makes him unpopular and pisses people off, but he isn't afraid of that.

I don't think anyone is sympathetic to russia.
 
I agree with trump that nato has been riding our coattails for decades with the US funding the bulk of nato. No other potus felt it necessary to seek more accountability from europe. europe was content to rely on us for its security. The nato framework needs to be reworked. I was stunned to learn that countries who offer no financial or military support have the same veto power we have. That isn't right and in the best interest of the US. he can't pull the US out of nato, but he can and will use that threat and other leverage to rework nato in a manner more beneficial to the US.
Where did you see this? There are no NATO countries that offer no financial or military support.
 
Yeah, starting needless wars, tanking the economy, using ICE as his personal militia against people with brown skin, using the office for his own personal gain, and trying to cover up his crimes as a rapist and pedophile isn't a big deal. People should just go with the flow.
lol at you cf. every post you make says the same thing, and every word is nothing but cliche and talking points. never an original thought. there is a reason for that. can you guess what that reason is? i don't think you can string more than a two sentence post together with any insight if your life depended on it. you don't have to go with the flow. you can just continue to be the board's Raymond Babbitt and repeating the same 20 words over and over in every post. you obviously get comfort in that because you never actually discuss political issues, just rearrange the sequencing of rapist, pedophile, fascist, etc. take heart though, it will soon be time for Judge Wapner.
 
lol at you cf. every post you make says the same thing, and every word is nothing but cliche and talking points. never an original thought. there is a reason for that. can you guess what that reason is? i don't think you can string more than a two sentence post together with any insight if your life depended on it. you don't have to go with the flow. you can just continue to be the board's Raymond Babbitt and repeating the same 20 words over and over in every post. you obviously get comfort in that because you never actually discuss political issues, just rearrange the sequencing of rapist, pedophile, fascist, etc. take heart though, it will soon be time for Judge Wapner.
It's the truth. You don't want to see it, or you don't care because you are the same type of horrible person. It's nothing political about it. It's all wrapped in racism, bigotry, cruelty and hate. That's what you support. You're either the same type of person or you're just an idiot to support this shit still.
 
Where did you see this? There are no NATO countries that offer no financial or military support.
Technically, Iceland. Practically there are several. And every country has the same veto power. It operates by consensus. So the US which spends close to $1 trillion (over 60% of the total) has the same veto power as Iceland. or slovenia, luxembourg, north macedonia who spend about $500 million and have almost no military resources. trump is absolutely correct to challenge the current nato charter. hell, canada only spends about $44 billion and only has 68,000 troops, 400 aircraft, and 60 ships. it has been sucking at the US military tit since the beginning. trump's method of challenging the status quo is wrong, but the need and intent is right.
 
It's the truth. You don't want to see it, or you don't care because you are the same type of horrible person. It's nothing political about it. It's all wrapped in racism, bigotry, cruelty and hate. That's what you support. You're either the same type of person or you're just an idiot to support this shit still.
This entire thread is about the iran war. Its totally political. How many comments have you made about the war that didn't totally focus on you same 20 adjectives of trump? 0 because you don't have a thought outside of trump.
 
Technically, Iceland. Practically there are several. And every country has the same veto power. It operates by consensus. So the US which spends close to $1 trillion (over 60% of the total) has the same veto power as Iceland. or slovenia, luxembourg, north macedonia who spend about $500 million and have almost no military resources. trump is absolutely correct to challenge the current nato charter. hell, canada only spends about $44 billion and only has 68,000 troops, 400 aircraft, and 60 ships. it has been sucking at the US military tit since the beginning. trump's method of challenging the status quo is wrong, but the need and intent is right.

Iceland has been a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) since its foundation in 1949. Membership of the Alliance and the 1951 bilateral Defence Agreement with the United States of America remain the two main pillars of Iceland's security policy. With the changing security environment and the transformation of NATO, the contribution of Iceland to the Alliance has also undergone major changes. While having no standing armed forces, Iceland contributes to NATO operations with financial contributions and civilian personnel.

In its work within the Alliance, Iceland inter alia puts emphasis on NATO’s role in disarmament, arms control and non-proliferation, including nuclear issues; the common values of the Alliance, i.e. respect for democracy, rule of law and human rights; collective defence and the importance of solidarity, the transatlantic link and the indivisibility of security. Iceland also stresses the important role of NATO in implementing Security Council Resolution 1325 on Women, Peace and Security; the High North and supports the notion that the Alliance should continue to be open to all European Countries that share the values of the Alliance as well as fulfil its conditions for membership.

Iceland operates an air defence and surveillance system (IADS) which is part of the NATO integrated Air Defence System, composed of four radar sites and centrally controlled Air Command and Control System. IADS supports NATO allied air forces´ air surveillance missions in Iceland in order to ensure that air sovereignty is maintained.

NATO conducts air-surveillance missions in Iceland as decided by the Alliance’s North Atlantic Council in July of 2007. Missions are carried out by NATO member states at an average of three times a year, for 2 to 3 weeks at a time.
 
This entire thread is about the iran war. Its totally political. How many comments have you made about the war that didn't totally focus on you same 20 adjectives of trump? 0 because you don't have a thought outside of trump.
Trump is the one behind it all. Your cult leader destroys everything he touches. It's a complete shitshow and you continue to worship your cult leader, and there's no reason anyone would still support the sociopath unless they're an idiot or a horrible person.
 
Technically, Iceland. Practically there are several. And every country has the same veto power. It operates by consensus. So the US which spends close to $1 trillion (over 60% of the total) has the same veto power as Iceland. or slovenia, luxembourg, north macedonia who spend about $500 million and have almost no military resources. trump is absolutely correct to challenge the current nato charter. hell, canada only spends about $44 billion and only has 68,000 troops, 400 aircraft, and 60 ships. it has been sucking at the US military tit since the beginning. trump's method of challenging the status quo is wrong, but the need and intent is right.
The question is not whether the United States spends more to fund NATO than Macedonia. The question is whether NATO protects our national security.

If we get no benefit from NATO, then we should leave NATO and quit whining about much we pay in to NATO compared to other NATO countries. If we get no benefit then why pay even $1 to NATO ?
 
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