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WaynetheDrain said:
What we're seeing is the final form of a dictator becoming the dictator. For years,, we've tried to allay our own fears by saying, "Yes, Trump is an authoritarian, but the one thing separating him from Hitler is the need to expand his empire by conquering other countries militarily and murdering his own citizens."

I now ask, what difference is there between Trump and Hitler other than efficiency?
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Hitler had better hair?
 
ZenMode said:
So, Israel regularly and intentionally bombed/destroyed entire schools, full of nothing but civilians, over the last 2.5 years?
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Lol. Nice reframing. Maybe instead, you could point us to all the schools full of Iranian school kids Iran has intentionally bombed in the last 2.5 years?

The problem with bad faith arguing is you look like an idiot when it gets turned back on you.
 
ZenMode said:
So, Israel regularly and intentionally bombed/destroyed entire schools, full of nothing but civilians, over the last 2.5 years?
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Israel has certainly intentionally dropped bombs that they knew would cause large numbers of civilian casualties because they believed they would hit a military target that justified those casualties.

There have certainly been credible allegations that they have hit purely civilian targets, which they have denied. I am not aware whether any formal determination has been made in those cases.

You are still arguing about this while ignoring the context that basically everyone here agrees that an accident is the most likely explanation.
 
lawtig02 said:
Odds in order of likelihood —

1. US and/or Israel bombed the school accidentally (by far the most likely)
2. Israel bombed the school intentionally (entirely possible)
3. Iran bombed the school (highly unlikely)
4. US bombed the school intentionally (even less likely)
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Wasn't the school bombed 2x in 40 minutes? Does that change your odds?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
What we're seeing is the final form of a dictator becoming the dictator. For years,, we've tried to allay our own fears by saying, "Yes, Trump is an authoritarian, but the one thing separating him from Hitler is the need to expand his empire by conquering other countries militarily and murdering his own citizens."

I now ask, what difference is there between Trump and Hitler other than efficiency?
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Despite undeniable similarities, they are still far different actors. Hitler was a megalomaniac with genuine goals of conquering and ruling the entire world, and a fanatical desire to exterminate all people he perceived as "lesser." He spent years building and leading a political movement that would serve those goals.

Trump is a vain narcissist with no real philosophy of ruling or governing other than "I want to do what I want, when I want it, and I want everyone to tell me I'm the most special boy all the time." He built a political movement quite by accident because he loved riffing in front of crowds. He is much more weak-minded than Hitler and can be manipulated by flattery by the people around him much more easily than Hitler.

What we are seeing is that these two very different kinds of leader can both produce some horrifically evil effects. That doesn't mean we shouldn't recognize that they are very different types of political actor.
 
wmheel1287 said:
@SnoopRob do you remember having a pretty vicious argument when you wouldn't let me unload on Graham's sexuality on the ZZL.

Well, I just want to say it here again. Lindsay Graham is the biggest beta bottom closeted little bitch whore who ever sucked a dick.

I hope we can agree on that now.
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I don't remember the discussion with you specifically, but I do remember that a handful of folks threw temper tantrums when we wouldn't let folks accuse Graham of being gay with no public evidence. It was always weird to me that a bunch of liberals would get so bent out of shape about a rule being enforced that was to prevent homophobic name-calling, but there were a few things about being a mod that was surprising to me.

I also remember that once there were public accusations, Graham's sexuality was allowed as a topic of discussion.

The rule was never about Graham specifically or if he is gay or not, it was about not allowing derogatory remarks - especially without evidence - against folks by accusing them of being gay.
 
SnoopRob said:
I don't remember the discussion with you specifically, but I do remember that a handful of folks threw temper tantrums when we wouldn't let folks accuse Graham of being gay with no public evidence. It was always weird to me that a bunch of liberals would get so bent out of shape about a rule being enforced that was to prevent homophobic name-calling, but there were a few things about being a mod that was surprising to me.

I also remember that once there were public accusations, Graham's sexuality was allowed as a topic of discussion.

The rule was never about Graham specifically or if he is gay or not, it was about not allowing derogatory remarks - especially without evidence - against folks by accusing them of being gay.
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Oh I know why you had that policy and Im not debating that now. I am derogatory because he allows his self hate and fear of his own sexuality become real persecution for lots of people.
 
SnoopRob said:
I don't remember the discussion with you specifically, but I do remember that a handful of folks threw temper tantrums when we wouldn't let folks accuse Graham of being gay with no public evidence. It was always weird to me that a bunch of liberals would get so bent out of shape about a rule being enforced that was to prevent homophobic name-calling, but there were a few things about being a mod that was surprising to me.

I also remember that once there were public accusations, Graham's sexuality was allowed as a topic of discussion.

The rule was never about Graham specifically or if he is gay or not, it was about not allowing derogatory remarks - especially without evidence - against folks by accusing them of being gay.
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As for me, I had no problem with Graham staying in the closet. It was his anti-gay votes in the Senate that bothered me.

and there's this when it comes to Graham...

www.rawstory.com

WSJ exposes Lindsey Graham for 'coaching' foreign leader on lobbying Trump for war

Republican U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina has been exposed by the Wall Street Journal for "coaching" a foreign leader on how to influence Donald Trump.The WSJ ahead of the weekend published a story called, "Lindsey Graham's Quest to Sell Trump on Striking Iran." In that piece...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
 
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lawtig02 said:
Lol. Nice reframing. Maybe instead, you could point us to all the schools full of Iranian school kids Iran has intentionally bombed in the last 2.5 years?

The problem with bad faith arguing is you look like an idiot when it gets turned back on you.
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I'm not the one that is bad faith arguing. My question was who is likely to have done, or repeat, what happened with the girls school. What happened with the girls school is not what Israel did one time over the last 2.5 years. I can't help that you are being dishonest.

As the events in Gaza have shown, it is absolutely the Muslim extremists who are more than happy to sacrifice civilian lives.
 
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