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ZenMode said:
Not sure what you mean by "them both being the culprit in this mess." If you mean that the terrorist organization that runs Gaza, Hamas, has publicly made their intentions to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, and Israel is taking actions to prevent that, yes, I guess they're both "culprits" in the mess.
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Just remember that to get inside Zen's head on this issue, you just have to assume that Hamas is pure evil so everything they do is pure evil, and Israel is purely good so everything they do is justified in opposing Hamas
 
rodoheel said:
Just remember that to get inside Zen's head on this issue, you just have to assume that Hamas is pure evil so everything they do is pure evil, and Israel is purely good so everything they do is justified in opposing Hamas
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Definitely don't believe that Israel is all good. I'm 100% sure that terrible things have happened at the hands of some IDF soldiers. They are human, after all.

That's way different than trying to paint both sides as equally culpable for the horrible things that are done.
 
ZenMode said:

Iranian police commander pleads with Israeli agent ‘please come help us’ in dramatic leaked call​

A senior Iranian police commander recently told an agent of Israel’s renowned Mossad intelligence service “I swear on the Koran I’m not your enemy” and begged the Jewish state to “please come help us” overthrow the Islamic Republic, according to the contents of a leaked phone call.

The call, reported by the Wall Street Journal Wednesday, was one of several placed by Israeli intelligence threatening Iranian security officials and their families by name if they did not stand aside in the event of a popular uprising to overthrow the mullahs.

“We know everything about you. You are on our blacklist, and we have all the information about you,” the Mossad agent told the police commander in Farsi. “I called to warn you in advance that you should stand with your people’s side. And if you will not do that, your destiny will be as your leader [Ayatollah Ali Khamenei]. Do you hear me?”

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Iranian police commander pleads with Israeli agent ‘please come help us’ in dramatic leaked call

The call, reported by the Wall Street Journal Wednesday, was one of several placed by Israeli intelligence threatening Iranian security officials and their families by name.
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Lol...when a gangster is threatening your life and that of your family, you beg. This is not new.
 
ZenMode said:
Definitely don't believe that Israel is all good. I'm 100% sure that terrible things have happened at the hands of some IDF soldiers. They are human, after all.

That's way different than trying to paint both sides as equally culpable for the horrible things that are done.
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And yet that is PRECISELY what you do with American politics on a daily basis.
 
superrific said:
a 30 hour blaze is just a maintenance issue?
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The maintenance issues may be the cause & origin of the fire. As for the time it took to extinguish, well a couple years back there was a fire on a small helicopter carrier/landing ship in San Diego harbor. It took 4 days to put it out despite it being docked in a major military port. So 30 hours might be big or it might be a smouldering fire.

Regardless, I am more likely to believe that than Iran hit the Ford in the Red Sea.
 
Isn't this aircraft carrier the newest one of the new line of carriers? Wouldn't be surprising is there was a flaw somewhere that caused the fire or made a routine fire worse.
 
With living quarters involved, there could be toxicity issues as well that would slow progress.


Navy ship bedding and upholstery are designed to prioritize extreme fire safety, durability, and resistance to environmental degradation over the low-VOC (volatile organic compound) standards often prioritized in modern commercial furniture. While these materials are rigorously tested to be non-combustible and fire-retardant, they may actually produce higher levels of toxic, thick smoke and chemical fumes in fire scenarios compared to some modern industrial standards, according to studies on synthetic foam
 
ZenMode said:
The fact that you refer to Israel as the gangsters tells me basically all I need to know about your position in the topic.
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Lol at your silliness. I was referring to the specific conversation that you quoted. How else would you refer to someone calling a police official to tell them "we know where you and your family are and we will murder you if you dont do as we say"?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Lol at your silliness. I was referring to the specific conversation that you quoted. How else would you refer to someone calling a police official to tell them "we know where you and your family are and we will murder you if you dont do as we say"?
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Uh.... they're terrorists. They are the evil ones. They are the ones murdering tens of thousands of their own citizens. They're the ones helping to make October 7th happen. They're the ones who, if given the chance, would kill every Jew in Israel.
 
ZenMode said:
Uh.... they're terrorists. They are the evil ones. They are the ones murdering tens of thousands of their own citizens. They're the ones helping to make October 7th happen. They're the ones who, if given the chance, would kill every Jew in Israel.
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Israel’s government are evil genocidal maniacs. They’re the ones murdering 10s of thousands of Palestinians and now Lebanese and Iranians as well. They have earned every bit of scorn they receive from the Muslim world.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Israel’s government are evil genocidal maniacs.
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I don't think you know what genocidal means.
UNCBAdookJD said:
They’re the ones murdering 10s of thousands of Palestinians and now Lebanese and Iranians as well. They have earned every bit of scorn they receive from the Muslim world.
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Israel killed ~75k Gazans in 2.5 years in a war.

Iran killed 30-40k of their own citizens in a matter of a couple weeks for protesting.

Think About It GIF by Identity
 
Hamas are evil terrorists and no one should pretend otherwise but if you can't admit that Israeli settlers have done "evil" things in the West Bank then something is wrong with you.
 
rodoheel said:
Hamas are evil terrorists and no one should pretend otherwise but if you can't admit that Israeli settlers have done "evil" things in the West Bank then something is wrong with you.
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Agree 100%. I'll add that the Iranian regime IS evil, also. Israeli settlers (separate from IDF) have DONE evil things and I'm quite sure that members of IDF have, like some settlers, DONE evil things.
 
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