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Milk and Cookies said:
Whether or not the OT is historically accurate is a completely different argument. You're trying to shift the goal posts from theology to archeology.

Back to the point, the NT authors treat the OT as authoritative scripture. Over and over in the NT Jesus is depicted as upholding the scripture (OT) and it being referred to as "god-breathed". You said Christians pay attention to the words of Jesus -- well Jesus's words support the teachings of the OT.
And AGAIN you're illustrating my point completely. I'm not saying the OT is correct/accurate or the NT-onlyists are correct. I'm pointing out that the bible in its entirety is not internally consistent and cannot be used reliably for claims of "real" vs "fake" Christians because interpretations between different sects can vary widely and all point back to different passages for justification.
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If you are after Truth, the only way to "win" a theological discussion, is to never have a theological discussion in the first place.

If you are after secular power, please proceed. Theology is your tool of choice for that.
 
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Callatoroy said:
At this point you are nothing more than a disciple of Omar and Talib. A poster child for social media influencers brainwashing people due to their own ignorance. You are theses influencers sheep.
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You know, I have treated you with a lot of scorn and derision. I owe you a sincere apology for that. I have come to realize that I should have been praying for you instead. One of my worst flaws and weaknesses as someone who professes to believe in Christ is that I don’t spend nearly enough time praying for others besides myself. Sure, I pray for my immediate family – my wife and kids, things of that nature. But I don’t spend nearly enough time praying for others.

It is very clear that you are a very angry, very broken, very empty soulless husk of a human being. I am truly sorry to you for whoever and whatever it was in your life that caused you to be this way. I am so sorry that you are such a damaged person that you get enjoyment out of the way you behave on this board. I used to dislike you, despise you, whatever adjective you want to use – but I realized recently that I should just pity you. So I do. I feel truly sorry for you. Nobody who is happy in their life, and nobody who has people in their life who truly love them, behaves the way that you do. So I’m sorry for you, and I truly will pray for you to find something better that fills the deep, infinite void in your soul.

I’m sorry that your life sucks. I’m sorry that your life has not turned out the way you wanted it to. I’m sorry that you are reduced to being an angry, judgmental, mean spirited caricature of a human being on a message board. I’m sorry that things like expressing compassion and empathy and sorrow for human loss and suffering comes across to you as “emotional” or “irrational.” Like I said, I used to really dislike you for all of that – but now I don’t. I just feel sorry for you. I truly hope you can find the help you need. I don’t think you’re going to find it here on this board, but I hope you find it somewhere.
 
pspsps said:
This AM posting spree strikes me as the ranting of the an exemplification of right wing brainwashing or someone feverishly seeking attention of any kind.
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It’s so bizarre. At least ramrouser’s posting sprees occur primarily on Friday and Saturday nights when he is shithoused drunk. Callatoroy just posts all anger, all the time. What a sorry, pathetic, miserable existence.
 
Ddseddse said:
Same reason I think the 'Shit Trump Says' thread is a bad idea (or reposting every quote tweet of every thing Steven Miller says) is a bad idea.

Mind viruses spread by contagion. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU REPOST IS CRITICAL OF THE TROLL'S FASCIST THOUGHT OF THE DAY (but worse if the reposting in neutral/uncritical like most posts in Shit Trump Says). All publicity is good publicity. The way you fight a mind virus is you quarantine it. What you don't do (or at least what I would plead that we don't do on this site) is spread it all over the internet in the form of quote posts (no matter how good your argument is).

Every iota of exposure to these these ideas normalizes them one more degree. There is no bad publicity. I would urge that we have the collective discipline to not be an additional disease vector and help and spread that crap all around.

I think the important thing to realize is you and the troll are playing two different games, using two different sets of rules. When you reply, by your rules you are winning. But at the same time, by making the same reply, by the troll's rules the troll is also winning, big time. And to them spreading the mind virus is the win.

While I'm no means an expert in information warfare, propaganda, and swaying popular sentiment, I do have a pretty damn good grounding in the subject. Enough to know the basic mechanics of how all this works.

Of course everyone on this site is going to make their own decisions for their own reasons and I can't (and wouldn't want to, even if I could) force anyone to do anything differently. All I can do is ask.

But you did ask why it bothers me, so I figured it was worth the effort to write up why it bothers me.
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How do we battle the lies without calling them and exposing what is wrong with them and why they are hurting the country?
 
Icky Mettle said:
If Hegseth wants to send troops to Iran, then he should be on the ground with them.
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He and trump, on horses at the front of the Calvary, leading the troops into battle.

Maybe a quarter mile ahead of the troops in case something unexpected happens....

They can also take JD(couch fucker) and Mike Johnson(porn expert) with them.
 
CFordUNC said:
You know, I have treated you with a lot of scorn and derision. I owe you a sincere apology for that. I have come to realize that I should have been praying for you instead. One of my worst flaws and weaknesses as someone who professes to believe in Christ is that I don’t spend nearly enough time praying for others besides myself. Sure, I pray for my immediate family – my wife and kids, things of that nature. But I don’t spend nearly enough time praying for others.

It is very clear that you are a very angry, very broken, very empty soulless husk of a human being. I am truly sorry to you for whoever and whatever it was in your life that caused you to be this way. I am so sorry that you are such a damaged person that you get enjoyment out of the way you behave on this board. I used to dislike you, despise you, whatever adjective you want to use – but I realized recently that I should just pity you. So I do. I feel truly sorry for you. Nobody who is happy in their life, and nobody who has people in their life who truly love them, behaves the way that you do. So I’m sorry for you, and I truly will pray for you to find something better that fills the deep, infinite void in your soul.

I’m sorry that your life sucks. I’m sorry that your life has not turned out the way you wanted it to. I’m sorry that you are reduced to being an angry, judgmental, mean spirited caricature of a human being on a message board. I’m sorry that things like expressing compassion and empathy and sorrow for human loss and suffering comes across to you as “emotional” or “irrational.” Like I said, I used to really dislike you for all of that – but now I don’t. I just feel sorry for you. I truly hope you can find the help you need. I don’t think you’re going to find it here on this board, but I hope you find it somewhere.
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Nice dissertation. Do you actually have an original thought on the actual topic? To busy reposting leftist influencers crap.
 
UNCatTech said:
How do we battle the lies without calling them and exposing what is wrong with them and why they are hurting the country?
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We don't, at least not here.

We do it first and foremost at the ballot box. By organizing, volunteering, knocking on doors, registering folks to vote. We do it by doing all the awkward, time consuming, potentially embarrassing, potentially intimidating shit work that none of us wants to do, but all of us need to do.

We do it in the streets via peaceful protests.

We do it via nuanced and empathetic conversations with loved ones and with others where the bonds of affection and trust are strong enough to ensure the the other participant is willing to honestly and truly engage in good faith.

Our battleground is out there in the real world. Not in here. In here we can afford the luxury of ignoring the trolls. If I know 100% going into it, that no matter how factual, how truthful, how well reasoned my post is, that the troll is going to immediately reply with another in an endless stream of bad faith arguments, then for me, at least, that's my cue that the post I'm about to make is taking me down the wrong path.
 
heelslegup said:
Need a 72 hour cease fire to allow innocents to leave region and Iran to dig out an bury dead and get Red Crescentsome time
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Tehran has 9 million residents and 16+ million in its metropolitan area.

Forget the logistics of moving 20+ million people and the time involved.

Where do they go?
 
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