Iran Catch-All | IRAN WAR

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Mulberry Heel said:
it's turning out to be a lot messier and more complicated than we thought, Iran can do more damage to us than we thought
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No. Critical point to make here.

If by "we" you mean the the people who knew what they were talking about (e.g. career officials at the Department of Defense and Department of State, ect.), then they knew exactly how complicated this was going to be and how much damage Iran could do.

There's a reason that over the last 20 years whenever you had cable news on and they had an actual credible analyst on in the talking head slot you heard "Iran is not Iraq, they have a lot more capabilities and a lot more options, a US war with Iran would be a terrible idea" as the single consistent refrain.

The long and the short of it is none of us are sitting the Iran desk at State. We sinply do not have the time to be experts in Iranian warfighting and strategic capabilites (along with being vaccine experts, constutiuonal scholars, and literally every other specialized knowedge profession covering the entire sum of human knowedge).

The single most importnat survival skill in our modern world is for all of us to put aside our pride and admit "I don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about here", and then add "But there are people who do this for a living, I should listen to the consensus of those people (and not cherry pick the onles I'm predisposed to agree with) and I'm going to butt out and let them do thier fucking jobs".

Listen. I HAD NO IDEA WHY ATTACKING IRAN WAS A BAD IDEA. But citically importantly, I DIDN'T NEED TO! I've been convinced that attacking Iran was a bad idea for 20 years.All without knowing any more than "The poeple who know what they are taking about say it's a terrible idea." OK, great, good enough for me, we shouldn't attack Iran. The people who knew what they were talking about were telling me it was a bad Idea. I didn't need the details.

If we want to survive the next 50 years. Were all going to need to relearn how to trust the experts and all stop pretending to be experts ourselves.
 
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In other words, we threatened to bomb power plants/infrastructure and Iran threatened to retaliate by cutting the hard lines that carry 95% of the worlds internet & hit our “allies” in the region where it hurts the most.

It’s amazing how Iran has outmaneuvered Trump at every turn just by not being completely fucking inept.
 
nycfan said:
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If this is true and not more bullshit, then I'm guessing we agree to stop our war on Iran ( not sure whether Bibi would agree ) and Iran agrees to reopen the strait.

If so, then we wasted billions of dollars lost lives and injuries to hundreds of our military and accomplished nothing positive for this stupid "excursion"

ETA : looks like more Trump bullshit
 
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