Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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Callatoroy said:
I'm an old testament guy in the respect of an eye for an eye kind of thing. You act like a dick to me and that is what you get in return. For you to make that comment just shows how oblivious you are to the general discourse on this board. Will probably have a heart attack when you call out one of your frat brothers on here for being a dick to someone like Ram, who tries and mostly succeeds in trying to discuss things above the childish and insecure attacks. Also, take a dose of your own medicine and quit being a dick.
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Plenty of us on here tried mightily to be respectful and have exchanges with you but you routinely threw that away in favor of your shithead board persona.

Its sad, honestly, that you act the way you do on here.
 
It is not our fault that Buckhead lawyer continues, over and over again, to write posts that are deeply ignorant of basic concepts of law. He then uses that stupidity to attack people, both on this board and in general.

If a lawyer can't distinguish between allegations and evidence -- as Ram failed to, this very afternoon -- then not only should he not be a lawyer, but he has nothing to contribute to any intelligent discussion. I'm embarrassed on his behalf, and I don't even like the guy.
 
I'm confident that every other President this century would make the decision to bomb Fordow. While it's certainly not a no brainer, the changing landscape on the ground means that we have a high likelihood we can eradicate Iran's current nuclear capability when Hezbollah and Hamas can't counter.

This accomplishes an important near-term strategic objective and would also bring military action against Iran to a conclusion.

I am skeptical that negotiation will achieve any useful result. Recent history indicates that Iran is hellbent on developing a bomb and negotiation is being used to buy time.

Not an easy call, but a pretty clear one, in my opinion.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Plenty of us on here tried mightily to be respectful and have exchanges with you but you routinely threw that away in favor of your shithead board persona.

Its sad, honestly, that you act the way you do on here.
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What is sad is that you seem incapable of discussing politics with anyone you disagree with without making it personal. That's your flaw, not mine. I'm perfectly capable of discussing a political issue with you without attacking you personally or having a disagreement or political impasse turn nasty. So far I have been told to fuck off, I have no decency, a shithead, blah blah blah. I'm not the one being nasty. You guys just can't rise above it.
 
Callatoroy said:
and gaza. The one from gaza said israel would cut their power for 12 hrs a day, but at random times which was hard because her grandmother had a piece of medical equipment that required power. You indirectly defend them all the time but are to much of a vagina to come right out and say it. You downplayed / gave underlying reasons for Oct 7. Israel brought it on themselves right?
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You directly defend a government committing a genocide and that is starving a population. Your only counter argument is to name call and call me a terrorist supporter. You show that you know nothing about the history of the region.
 
Huh? said:
I'm confident that every other President this century would make the decision to bomb Fordow. While it's certainly not a no brainer, the changing landscape on the ground means that we have a high likelihood we can eradicate Iran's current nuclear capability when Hezbollah and Hamas can't counter.

This accomplishes an important near-term strategic objective and would also bring military action against Iran to a conclusion.

I am skeptical that negotiation will achieve any useful result. Recent history indicates that Iran is hellbent on developing a bomb and negotiation is being used to buy time.

Not an easy call, but a pretty clear one, in my opinion.
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Not sure those things can be accomplished without boots on the ground.
 
Huh? said:
I'm confident that every other President this century would make the decision to bomb Fordow. While it's certainly not a no brainer, the changing landscape on the ground means that we have a high likelihood we can eradicate Iran's current nuclear capability when Hezbollah and Hamas can't counter.

This accomplishes an important near-term strategic objective and would also bring military action against Iran to a conclusion.

I am skeptical that negotiation will achieve any useful result. Recent history indicates that Iran is hellbent on developing a bomb and negotiation is being used to buy time.

Not an easy call, but a pretty clear one, in my opinion.
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US intel was saying the nuke bomb progress was far from fruition. So why not give diplomacy a chance? Most of their scientists are dead. A bunch of their military has been decimated. They probably can't afford NOT to negotiate, and Iran hasn't closed that door.
 
Mundial said:
Does it say they used our weapons, our tax payer money and our intel and backed by our military assets and point defense?

Now the Ukranians, THEY are amazing. Modern day Spartans. Awe inspiring.
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What is amazing to me is that the Russian's haven't been able to establish superiority in a country next door, where they have years of assets.
 
Huh? said:
I'm confident that every other President this century would make the decision to bomb Fordow. While it's certainly not a no brainer, the changing landscape on the ground means that we have a high likelihood we can eradicate Iran's current nuclear capability when Hezbollah and Hamas can't counter.

This accomplishes an important near-term strategic objective and would also bring military action against Iran to a conclusion.

I am skeptical that negotiation will achieve any useful result. Recent history indicates that Iran is hellbent on developing a bomb and negotiation is being used to buy time.

Not an easy call, but a pretty clear one, in my opinion.
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Maybe, but are you willing to go to war with Iran? Or are you willing to send your children to the Middle East to fight Iran?

If not, then maybe it's not a clear call.
 




A guy who once considered nuking a hurricane would consider nuking a mountain.
 
RaiGuy said:
You directly defend a government committing a genocide and that is starving a population. Your only counter argument is to name call and call me a terrorist supporter. You show that you know nothing about the history of the region.
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And you to refuse to address why that "genocide" (I don't characterize it as genocide but I understand you need the shock value of the word) is occurring. Hint, it isn't because Bibi hates palestinians as Hitler hated the jews.
 
Callatoroy said:
And you to refuse to address why that "genocide" (I don't characterize it as genocide but I understand you need the shock value of the word) is occurring. Hint, it isn't because Bibi hates palestinians as Hitler hated the jews.
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Ah yes, please, educate me then on why?

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Callatoroy said:
What is sad is that you seem incapable of discussing politics with anyone you disagree with without making it personal. That's your flaw, not mine. I'm perfectly capable of discussing a political issue with you without attacking you personally or having a disagreement or political impasse turn nasty. So far I have been told to fuck off, I have no decency, a shithead, blah blah blah. I'm not the one being nasty. You guys just can't rise above it.
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My flaw was in giving you a chance in the first place. You are undeserving of such.
 
RaiGuy said:
Ah yes, please, educate me then on why?

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The simple reason is that he is tired of kicking the can down the road. Decades of being attacked, retaliating but only inflicting enough damage to buy a couple of years and then another attack. Oct 7 and the savagery changed all that. He / Israel has had enough and the policy was to wipe out hamas. You can disagree with that as many have after the emotional shock of Oct 7 wore off and the unusual high death toll of palestinians started to mount. But most people didn't know that hamas was hiding under hospitals, religious houses, schools, etc. where they couldn't be attacked without causing people like you and many others on this board to scream stop because of the palestinian deaths that was inevitable. Nothing wrong with that and it is certainly a logical pov. However, Israel was faced with two options if they were to achieve the goal of wiping out hamas. Root then out door to door and suffer high casualties or bomb them and suffer fewer israeli deaths. Not unlike the decision Truman faced but on a much smaller scale. Palestine, in its depressed state sold its political soul to hamas because it thought hamas was going to offer the best option of an improved economic way of life and that hamas was dedicated to achieving a palestinian state. The PA in the WB offered zero options and was feckless in influencing hamas. The miscalculation and tragedy is that hamas didn't give a damn about the palestinian people except in how they could be used and exploited in their goal to attack israel. That has become easy to see now.
Oct 7 will turn out to be a terrible military decision for Iran. They failed to understand how far they could push before israel before it was to far. You characterize it as genocide and from a palestinian pov I can understand that. You also have to understand israel's view that it is existential to them and they will no longer live beside someone who would commit another Oct 7. You don't have to like it or agree with it but to act as if that isn't a rational thought then you are being intentionally obtuse. Is israel justified in killing 100 palestinians in its effort to kill 10 hamas fighters hiding under a hospital? To you obviously no. But to israel it feels its existence depends on it. You acting as if hamas and iran didn't bring this on the palestinians is just wrong. Before Oct 7, israel wasn't bombing schools and hospitals for the hell of it. You acting as if the palestinians don't share in some of their fate is also wrong. The PA didn't have a charter of the elimination of the israeli state. Hamas did and you can't align yourself with that knowing you are caught in the middle. You continually act as if all of the suffering is at the hands of israel when it just isn't.
 
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