Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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HintonJamesHeel said:
The world is complex and there are bad people everywhere. I’m an American. We have to choose sides. The vast majority of the Muslim world doesn’t like/trust the US. Israel would never harm the US. It’s pretty simply for most humans. What’s best for me and my safety? Siding with Israel is a clear answer for most Americans. One side hates me. One side doesn’t.
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The world is definitely complex, which makes me wonder why you think such a simplistic binary view of it could ever be appropriate.
 
superrific said:
Oh Trump thinks Iran will negotiate now that they've been bombed? Mr. Amazing Dealmaker is hoping that violence will get Iran to sign . . . the same deal Trump ripped up a decade ago, the same one that was achieved by diplomacy alone.

The only way to look at these Iran negotiations is that it's a massive failure by Trump going back a decade.
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Mr trump doesn't understand negotiating.
 
Callatoroy said:
Why are they being starved (your words)? What has happened to the aid that was sent?
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My words, huh? so you don't believe that the population is being starved?

As for the aid, Israel has blocked the aid going in and then created a fake aid group with the US called "Gaza Humanitarian" and armed an ISIS-adjacent gang to run it.
Aid was being delivered fine during the ceasefire when it was actually controlled by humanitarian groups.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
. . .. Israel would never harm the US. . . ..
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Link: Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia
In addition to the information in the Wikipedia article, Pollard gave information to Israel about movements and patrol areas of US ballistic missile submarines. Israel then traded this information to the Soviet Union in exchange for Jewish nuclear weapon scientists who then greatly improved Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal. I fail to see how disclosing movements of US nuclear missile submarines to the Soviet Union and greatly improving Israel's nuclear weapons inventory do not represent harm to both the United States and world peace.

ETA1: The Israeli spy who was Pollard's handler and who Israel repeatedly refused US attempts to extradite for trial in the US was granted a full pardon by Donald Trump on the afternoon January 20, 2021. Whatever Kompromat Russia has on St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago, apparently either the Soviet Union or Russia shared some of it with Israel.

ETA2: During one of Bill Clinton's negotiations trying to defuse tensions in the Middle East, Israel asked President Clinton to pardon Pollard on the condition that Pollard relocate to Israel and never return to the US. President Clinton initially agreed to the request in exchange from some compromises from Israel. However, military and civilian members of the US national security apparatus quickly briefed President Clinton on the full extent of what Pollard had actually done. Once informed of the magnitude of the harm Pollard had inflected on the United States, President Clinton withdrew his offer to pardon Pollard.
 
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Callatoroy said:
Lol at your characterization of no regulatory oversight as if that deal actually achieved regulatory oversight. When you allow the inmate to dictate when and what part of the cell the guards can inspect you have no oversight. Trump rightfully ditched it because it was completely feckless. So if you are making the argument that obama's deal would have kept Iran from acquiring a bomb then you are just wrong.
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Another thing Callatoroy is an expert on.
 
Callatoroy said:
Lol at your characterization of no regulatory oversight as if that deal actually achieved regulatory oversight. When you allow the inmate to dictate when and what part of the cell the guards can inspect you have no oversight. Trump rightfully ditched it because it was completely feckless. So if you are making the argument that obama's deal would have kept Iran from acquiring a bomb then you are just wrong.
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This is the kind of stupid that throws away an umbrella during a thunderstorm because you're dry.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
What’s the answer? I am interested.
I said Palestine and Iran kill people for being gay and treat women like property. You said that’s Islamophobia. I asked if what I said was incorrect. You didn’t answer.

Do Palestine and Iran support gay rights? Do they treat women equally? Should be easy to answer. Just yes or no.
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You are conflating Palestinians with Hamas.
Also, Palestinian women are treated equally.

So basically, you justify the actions of Israel (including the starvation of a population) because you believe that strongly in gay rights?

Final question, who did you vote for in the last election? hmm
 
RaiGuy said:
You are conflating Palestinians with Hamas.
Also, Palestinian women are treated equally.

So basically, you justify the actions of Israel (including the starvation of a population) because you believe that strongly in gay rights?

Final question, who did you vote for in the last election? hmm
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What about in Iran?

I have never voted for Trump. Not once. Nice try though.
 
UNCatTech said:
I didn't mean it as absolute equals. But Isreals leadership is far from perfect and without reproach.

ALL of these countries need to wake up to the destruction their inability to co exist creates.
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Isn't that a little naive. Its only been thousands of years
 
RaiGuy said:
You are conflating Palestinians with Hamas.
Also, Palestinian women are treated equally.

So basically, you justify the actions of Israel (including the starvation of a population) because you believe that strongly in gay rights?

Final question, who did you vote for in the last election? hmm
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Your solution is to allow hamas to hide behind the skirts of Palestinian women so Israel won't eliminate them so they can attack Israel all over again? That is what it sounds like to me. Palestine needs to stand up to hamas in order to help themselves.
 
Callatoroy said:
Isn't that a little naive. Its only been thousands of years
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Well, yeah. It has been thousands of years. But it has only been in the last couple of decades that they acquired enough nuclear weapons to start an Armageddon that could engulf the entire world.
 
At the very least, the US has established total credibility with the Iranians in the ongoing negotiations. Trump stopped Israel from conducting this raid in April asking for time for negotiations to take place. He then spends the next 2 months telling the Iranians to cut a deal or "very bad things will happen" and that Israel has the very best equipment supplied by the US. Iran goes with the hardliners and drags their fee. They've now paid the price with their scientists and hard liners killed.
UNCatTech said:
You are just like silence and the rest.

You are literally celebrating unnecessary death.

It's the fucking 21st century and these moron leaders still act like the world is just a bunch of waring tribes.
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I'm celebrating a successful military raid/campaign that might end up saving millions of lives if Iran is prevented from developing the bomb.

I'm sure there are civilian deaths but most appear to be the Iranian Revolutionary Guard generals.
 
Callatoroy said:
Your solution is to allow hamas to hide behind the skirts of Palestinian women so Israel won't eliminate them so they can attack Israel all over again? That is what it sounds like to me. Palestine needs to stand up to hamas in order to help themselves.
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There is so much idiocy with that statement that I'm not wasting my time with you.
 
UNCatTech said:
Yes Iran has issues, so does Isreal.

How is this good for the US?
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It's generally a good thing if Iran and its allies can be weakened. They are the cause of most of the conflict in the region via Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Israel and the other Arab states are moving closing via the Abraham Accords.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Iran isn't going to be able to do anything significant. Their proxy allies have been decimated.
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If I was an Iranian mullah, and of course I'm not, my attitude might be something like, "oh you don't want us to have plutonium? OK, then, we'll deliver it you" in the form of a radiological bomb.
 
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