Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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RaiGuy said:
My words, huh? so you don't believe that the population is being starved?

As for the aid, Israel has blocked the aid going in and then created a fake aid group with the US called "Gaza Humanitarian" and armed an ISIS-adjacent gang to run it.
Aid was being delivered fine during the ceasefire when it was actually controlled by humanitarian groups.
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I believe there is a humanitarian crisis in Palestine created by hamas's tactics of hiding behind skirts and under hospitals. I also believe Israel is justified in eliminating hamas as much as humanly possible. Stopping now only ensures hamas will attack Israel in the future. You seem to be hung up in this narrative that Palestine is completely blameless and Israel is the bad guy. I'm not arguing Israel's virtue or it being blameless for past offenses. I'm talking about what threats it faces today and what it should do today to secure its future.
 
Link: MSN

Ordinarily, I would dismiss this story as nothing but fear mongering from some liberal webpage seeking hits and subscriptions by enflaming and twisting St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago's words into some idiotic rant by a pre-teen boy trying to prove he is the toughest kid on the playground. Except this rant is just another day in St. Donald's incoherent dotage, impotent rage, and illogical ravings.
 
wmheel1287 said:
And they were never held to account and have led the US around by its nose ever since. How many American lives have been lost because of the hatred generated toward us by our enabling of the Israeli government?
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Yeah, I suppose we should have just let the Arabs slaughter the Jews in the years after the Holocaust so that we could protect ourselves from Islamofascist terrorists 50 years down the road. :rolleyes:
 
StrangePackage said:
This is the kind of stupid that throws away an umbrella during a thunderstorm because you're dry.
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Just chalk this issue up to another in a long list of political issues your side has been wrong on. And my God that list keeps getting longer every day. Political Party Destruction 101. You get the benefit of trump even though you were blindly supporting a vegetable. That is what makes America great.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Yeah, I suppose we should have just let the Arabs slaughter the Jews in the years after the Holocaust so that we could protect ourselves from Islamofascist terrorists 50 years down the road. :rolleyes:
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Based on wmheel's logic we should have just let the German's finish the job. Would have saved American lives right.
 
Callatoroy said:
Just chalk this issue up to another in a long list of political issues your side has been wrong on. And my God that list keeps getting longer every day. Political Party Destruction 101. You get the benefit of trump even though you were blindly supporting a vegetable. That is what makes America great.
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Weekend at Bernie's >>> Trump.
 
Yeppers looks like Trump's Middle East policy is bringing that peace only he can provide.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Yeah, I suppose we should have just let the Arabs slaughter the Jews in the years after the Holocaust so that we could protect ourselves from Islamofascist terrorists 50 years down the road. :rolleyes:
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If you mean 9/11, OBL called a fatwah against the US because the US had bases in Saudi Arabia used in the Kuwait/Gulf War I. 41 also abandoned Afghanistan after the Aghans/Northern Alliance defeated a crumbling Soviet Union, and left a power vacuum.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Should we go around and settle old scores?
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Absolutely not. I never said we should. However, you seem to be perfectly happy that we jump in with both feet enabling others who are doing the same.

I think we should stay the hell out of any involvement with the Middle East. Completely and totally disconnected from the entire region in every way.
 
www.nytimes.com

Trump Abandons Iran Nuclear Deal He Long Scorned (Published 2018)

Mr. Trump’s decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, plunges America’s relations with European allies into deep uncertainty.
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Article from 2018 when Trump ripped up the deal. Interesting to see who was right and who was wrong in retrospect.
Also interesting is the idea now that the old Iran nuclear agreement accomplished nothing. The first round of Trump officials didn’t agree with that notion. It wasn’t until Pompeo and Bolton came aboard that Trump found sympathetic ears to his “plan.”

Whatever you think, it is clear reading that article that what we are seeing today is 180 degrees from where Trump hoped/promised/thought we would be.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Absolutely not. I never said we should. However, you seem to be perfectly happy that we jump in with both feet enabling others who are doing the same.

I think we should stay the hell out of any involvement with the Middle East. Completely and totally disconnected from the entire region in every way.
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Ok. That’s a fair and rational position. I disagree with it but it’s logical enough.
 
ChileG said:
Interesting to see who was right and who was wrong in retrospect.
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Least surprising thing ever. The "who was right" and "who was wrong" doesn't change much over time. Our resident trolls and MAGAs are pretty much always wrong. That's why they have to chase new ideas and policies every couple of years. Eventually a million monkeys on typewriters might produce an English sentence.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Absolutely not. I never said we should. However, you seem to be perfectly happy that we jump in with both feet enabling others who are doing the same.

I think we should stay the hell out of any involvement with the Middle East. Completely and totally disconnected from the entire region in every way.
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There is really no universe - apart from one where the world relies on something other than oil and gas for energy - that the USA is not involved in matters in the Arab world. The first gulf war was about protecting our oil interests in Saudi Arabia and around the Gulf. 09/11 was about our troops remaining in SA post the first Gulf War. The second gulf war was about removing Hussein for oil. Everything is largely about oil (and not Israel - regardless of what some might suggest).
 
p5mmr9 said:
There is really no universe - apart from one where the world relies on something other than oil and gas for energy - that the USA is not involved in matters in the Arab world. The first gulf war was about protecting our oil interests in Saudi Arabia and around the Gulf. 09/11 was about our troops remaining in SA post the first Gulf War. The second gulf war was about removing Hussein for oil. Everything is largely about oil (and not Israel - regardless of what some might suggest).
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You forgot about us installing the Shah in Iran...for oil.
 
p5mmr9 said:
There is really no universe - apart from one where the world relies on something other than oil and gas for energy - that the USA is not involved in matters in the Arab world. The first gulf war was about protecting our oil interests in Saudi Arabia and around the Gulf. 09/11 was about our troops remaining in SA post the first Gulf War. The second gulf war was about removing Hussein for oil. Everything is largely about oil (and not Israel - regardless of what some might suggest).
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I understand the nature of those things. I also understand that we can purchase oil from the Middle East without meddling politically every 5 minutes and we can simultaneously engage every possible other source of energy to limit our exposure to Mid East dealings.
 
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