Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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Lando said:
I can’t imagine that too many people will be excited about the potential of another country deciding to start a war for us to fight on their behalf.
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of course not and let's hope we don't get directly involved. Still, the tough nut to crack will be the Fordow enrichment facility. I don't think the IDF has the munitions to clear it from the air. Only the US and Russia do. It will likely require the insertion of ground troops. Let's hope they aren't American.
 
Batt Boy said:
of course not and let's hope we don't get directly involved. Still, the tough nut to crack will be the Fordow enrichment facility. I don't think the IDF has the munitions to clear it from the air. Only the US and Russia do. It will likely require the insertion of ground troops. Let's hope they aren't American.
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Whatever it takes to keep Iran from a nuke.
 
Lando said:
Or the mission is a failure and Israel’s strength is compromised due to poor decision making.
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The mission has little to do with nukes. That's for the masses. The mission has to do with degrading Iran as a threat. Their proxies are gone and only the Mullahs stand as a threat. This has to do with regime change despite what the IDF spokespersons, or the media feed you.
 
Lando said:
So that stuff about the enrichment facility you mentioned was what exactly?
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It exists. No doubt it's a target as were the senior scientists. I am just saying the fundamental mission is regime change. There are other rouge countries with nukes like North Korea and Pakistan but they aren't threats to Israel. If the pre-79 regime was in power, or anyone not fundamentally built on Israel's destruction, no one would be bombing. The long term mission is regime change. The nuke presents a tool to get there.
 
nycfan said:


Netanyahu trying to pull Trump’s strings and goad Trump into military support of the attack on Iran.
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I can't stand Netanyahu. He has made jews less safe all over the world with his bellicosity. The damage he has done to Israel is immeasurable. He's a crook and a thug, much like the one we've got.
 
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www.themoscowtimes.com

Putin Condemns Israeli Strikes on Iran, Says Ready to Mediate - The Moscow Times

Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned Israel's wave of strikes on Iran, the Kremlin said Friday, following separate phone calls with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.
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“… He also told Netanyahu of his "readiness to provide mediation services in order to prevent further escalation of tensions."

The Kremlin added that Russia was committed to "resolving the current situation, which is fraught with the most disastrous consequences for the entire region."…”

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Putin fairly regularly offers to mediate international conflicts but not sure anyone takes him seriously (at least in most cases).
 
Lando said:
So Israel will just need help destroying an enrichment facility that will be the first of (presumably) many dominoes to fall that will result in regime change. The nuclear stuff is all a front for public consumption to build support for some good old fashioned nation building. The fact that regime change is being talked about by multiple people on this message board doesn’t mean that the job of fooling the US populace will be a failure, they will clearly believe it’s all about the nuclear program.

That about the weight of it?
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your words are too confusing to understand
 
Lando said:
There’s a reason for that. The whole bit about regime change was a non sequitur.

You posited that Israel’s defense capabilities were being degraded which would require more direct US involvement. When I questioned support for that you veered off into capability of taking out an enrichment facility and how that would require direct US involvement.

My only point has been that it’s very possible that Israel made a poor choice that will have degraded its defenses and failed to reach its goals. You have mentioned the need for more direct US involvement. There’s a possibility that doesn’t happen, or at least doesn’t happen to the degree necessary.

Words stopped making sense because the target moved every time the idea that Israel may have made a mistake was broached.
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It is permitted to discuss multiple topics in this thread, no? I made a comment about the IDF's inability to take out Fordow. They simply don't have the tools. I made another comment about the what I think is driving the IDF overall. I might be wrong. I think I am right. As for your attempts to put words in my mouth, I don't get it, but carry on any way you wish. I still don't understand what you are getting at.
 
Lando said:
I’ll make it really straightforward. Direct US involvement is not a guarantee and any plan that relies on that for success is a potentially bad one. Assurances that the plan is actually much broader in scope makes that problem significantly worse.

My posts have had near fortune cookie depth. “This might be a mistake with negative consequences” is hardly a bold position to take. I find the need to deflect from this very basic idea somewhat telling.
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Agreed and I'm pulling against direct US involvement. It's telling the Iranians haven't targeted in theatre bases yet despite saying they would. They know the IDF is pulling for our involvement.
 
It seems so far that the Iranians are having a hard time coordinating ballistic launches. Day one they sent 151. Day 2 47 and today they report via Faytuks that they sent 30. More might launch later, but clearly it wasn't just the senior ballistic staff that was eliminated. They are largely political anyway. Much of the mid level was likely "disrupted" as well and they do the work.
 
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