Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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lawtig02 said:
I'm trying to be as objective as I possibly can about this, and I know we can't automatically equate Iran with all other ME countries, but can anyone think of a legitimate reason Iran's foreign ministry would be publicly stating its nuclear program was "badly damaged"? From all prior experience, I would expect them to downplay any actual damage. It will be a long time before we have credible information, but the fact we're getting these types of statements from Iran makes me highly suspicious the bombs didn't accomplish much toward their intended goal.
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Agreed. Usually their public statements are in the style of Iraqi Information Minister.
 
Zoo_View said:
“Remain in Mexico wasn’t bad.”

Seriously?
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We don't have enough judges to process people coming to the border efficiently. So asking people under certain conditions to stay in their home country until their US court date makes sense. I understand asylum often means emergency, but not always. And it puts a burden on Mexico (IMO the rule should only apply to Mexican citizens).
This country relies on immigrant labor, plus we should have humane treatment of humans as a principle, but one way of doing a better job of ensuring everyone is well-documented is making our processing more efficient, either thru more judge$ and per$onnel & facilitie$, and things like remain-in-mex, or both.

The Biden Admin did something similar specifically for Venezuelans at some point and i think were trying to extend it to El Salvador and some others - https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...o-curb-pressure-at-u-s-mexico-border-00061586
 
Donald is so hormonal. Way too emotional to be POTUS, IMO. Someone get him a chocolate bar or some Midol or something. Sheesh.
 
nycfan said:


The pilots did precisely what they were directed to do … (virtually) no one is questioning the pilots.
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One of the more remarkable twists during this horrific Trump Era we are forced to live through is watching a guy like Joe Walsh, who has always been a despicable human being, turn his back on the GOP and become a voice of (relative) reason with regards to Trump.

Trump is such an awful human being, he has the ability to make other historically awful human beings appear downright likable by comparison.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Trump and his cabinet make the US come off as some kind of third world North Korea country.

If he had said that the strike was successful and that a further evaluation was needed to understand the extent of the damage but that he was confident that the strike will ultimately bring Iran to the table, then that’s great.

Instead he pops off and said it was completely destroyed. Stupid but whatever. Just pivot it and say again - what I said above.

Instead he just doubles down that he was right and then his cabinet looks like a clown show by just repeating whatever he said instead of just saying the result will be good but it doesn’t appear it was complete destroyed.

I’m so ready for him to be gone because the BS is too dumb for words
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His massive ego and narcissism ensures that he can never admit to making a mistake, ever. Instead he just doubles down and becomes ever more vociferous that he was right and that everyone else is wrong. To admit to making a mistake or being in error is, to him, a sign of weakness that he dares not display.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Due to executive branch leaks, we must not provide info to Congress.
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It won't stop the leaks. In his first term his administration leaked info to the media like a sieve. In Trump 2.0 it's been even worse, because more of the people around him (like Hegseth) are incompetent bunglers - Hegseth actually announced military secrets to friends and family on social group chats.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
It won't stop the leaks. In his first term his administration leaked info to the media like a sieve. In Trump 2.0 it's been even worse, because more of the people around him (like Hegseth) are incompetent bunglers - Hegseth actually announced military secrets to friends and family on social group chats.
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The Senate Intelligence Committee will continue to receive briefings as dictated by the National Securities Act in 1947.

I realize Trump has this thing about Rule of Law.

Per ChatPGT:

The Senate Intelligence Committee—formally the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI)—receives classified briefings through a structured and secure process designed to protect national security information while enabling oversight of U.S. intelligence activities.

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Classified briefings provided to the SSCI typically come from:

  • Intelligence Community (IC) Agencies:
    • CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, NRO, NGIA, and ODNI (Office of the Director of National Intelligence)
    • These agencies are required to keep the SSCI “fully and currently informed” of intelligence activities, including covert actions, per the National Security Act of 1947.
  • The White House / National Security Council (NSC):
    • Particularly in cases involving presidential findings for covert actions or emergency decisions.
  • Department of Defense and State Department:
    • When intelligence operations overlap with military or diplomatic activity.
  • Inspector Generals (IGs):
    • IGs from within the intelligence agencies may brief the committee on whistleblower complaints or internal reviews.
  • Special Counsel or DOJ:
    • In cases of intelligence-related legal investigations (e.g., FISA abuses, election interference).

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  • Secure Facilities (SCIFs): Briefings take place in Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, like the SCIF in the U.S. Capitol or Senate Office Buildings. These rooms are hardened against eavesdropping and unauthorized access.
  • Written Reports: Agencies often submit classified documents, cables, or memoranda for committee review.
  • Oral Testimony: Senior intelligence officials or cabinet-level figures appear in person to deliver updates or testify under oath.
  • Code Word-Level Access: Senators on the SSCI have clearance up to Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) and sometimes access to SAPs (Special Access Programs) or compartmentalized briefings.

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  • Oversight Mandate: The SSCI was created in 1976 to oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government.
  • Reporting Requirements: Intelligence agencies must report:
    • Significant anticipated intelligence activities
    • Ongoing covert actions (under the “Gang of Eight” rule when full committee notification is not feasible)
    • Failures or abuses (e.g., surveillance errors, mishandling of intelligence)
 
This is so freaking annoying.

1. The truth is it will be a while before we know for sure what impact the bombing had on Iran's nuclear timeline.
2. Trump and Hegseth are the ONLY ones who have been making definitive statements about the impact, which are definitionally premature.
3. CNN and the NYT were only reporting on an initial assessment from Trump's own intelligence team.
4. Trump's defensiveness about this and his desire to confirm what he wants to be true is causing us to release a vast amount of extremely sensitive information that never should be disclosed to the public.

In short, I continue to hope Iran's military-based nuclear program was set back for years. I'm concerned about the initial assessments that it was not. But regardless of that, Trump and Hegseth continue to violate their duties to the American people and compromise our security unnecessarily on a daily basis, all for the sake of vanity.
 
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