Iran War | Political & Economic Impacts

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 1K
  • Views: 37K
  • Politics 
This article talks about another fun indirect impact of the war with Iran: we are now reneging on deals to sell weapons systems to allies because we have depleted our own weapons stores so greatly that we need to keep the weapons systems for ourselves:


Not sure if that is a gift link, so for those who can't read it, here is a fairly sobering passage about the extent to which we've depleted our own fighting capacity thanks to this pointless war in Iran:

Though the study was released a few days before news reports of Hegseth’s phone call to Estonia, it helps explain the secretary’s panic. A key example cited in the study is the Precision Strike Missile, the main munition of the HIMARS rocket system that Hegseth held back from delivery to our NATO ally. The U.S. military had 90 of these missiles before Trump started bombing Iran. During the five and a half weeks of war, it fired off 40 to 70 of them. (The study’s estimate is based on published sources; hence the imprecise range.) The study concludes it will take 46 months—nearly four years—for manufacturers to refill the U.S. inventory.

Similarly, the U.S. had 360 Terminal High Altitude Area Defense systems before the war started. In shooting down Iran’s ballistic missiles, U.S. service members fired off somewhere between 190 and 290—52 to 80 percent—of them. Rebuilding those stockpiles should take 53 months.

The military used between 1,060 and 1,430—between 45 and 61 percent—of its 2,330 Patriot air-defense missiles, which will take 42 months to replace.


In other, slightly less extreme cases, the military fired more than 1,000 of its 3,100 Tomahawk cruise missiles, more than 1,000 of its 4,400 armor-piercing Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles, between 130 and 250 of its 410 SM-3 air-defense missiles, and between 190 and 370 of its 1,160 SM-6s. The Tomahawks will take 47 months to replace, the SM-6s will take 53 months, and the SM-3s will take 64 months.

The study notes that the situation is not quite as dire as the numbers make it seem. Some of these weapons can be replaced by far cheaper, slightly less capable systems that the U.S. possesses in large quantity. However, for a few of the weapons—the Patriots, THAADs, and SM missiles, which are adept at shooting down short-to-medium-range ballistic missiles—there are no good substitutes.
 
This is why Hegseth's twisted conception of "peace through strength" is doomed to failure. It ignores that our enemies have agency and also a need to prove (or at least pretend to prove) their own legitimacy/strength.
The idea of individual and collective agency by the Other is a foreign concept to many people within this administration (and its followers).
 
It appears that Trump's antics and his war on Iran is uniting the EU. Will the EU eventually replace America as the leader of the free world in the coming years ?

 
It appears that Trump's antics and his war on Iran is uniting the EU. Will the EU eventually replace America as the leader of the free world in the coming years ?

I worry more that as we join the autocracies, the free world will just go leaderless.
 
It appears that Trump's antics and his war on Iran is uniting the EU. Will the EU eventually replace America as the leader of the free world in the coming years ?


There is no free world.

But I do think we will have an increasingly multipolar world...which makes the world a much more dangerous place.
 
This article talks about another fun indirect impact of the war with Iran: we are now reneging on deals to sell weapons systems to allies because we have depleted our own weapons stores so greatly that we need to keep the weapons systems for ourselves:


Not sure if that is a gift link, so for those who can't read it, here is a fairly sobering passage about the extent to which we've depleted our own fighting capacity thanks to this pointless war in Iran:

Though the study was released a few days before news reports of Hegseth’s phone call to Estonia, it helps explain the secretary’s panic. A key example cited in the study is the Precision Strike Missile, the main munition of the HIMARS rocket system that Hegseth held back from delivery to our NATO ally. The U.S. military had 90 of these missiles before Trump started bombing Iran. During the five and a half weeks of war, it fired off 40 to 70 of them. (The study’s estimate is based on published sources; hence the imprecise range.) The study concludes it will take 46 months—nearly four years—for manufacturers to refill the U.S. inventory.

Similarly, the U.S. had 360 Terminal High Altitude Area Defense systems before the war started. In shooting down Iran’s ballistic missiles, U.S. service members fired off somewhere between 190 and 290—52 to 80 percent—of them. Rebuilding those stockpiles should take 53 months.

The military used between 1,060 and 1,430—between 45 and 61 percent—of its 2,330 Patriot air-defense missiles, which will take 42 months to replace.


In other, slightly less extreme cases, the military fired more than 1,000 of its 3,100 Tomahawk cruise missiles, more than 1,000 of its 4,400 armor-piercing Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles, between 130 and 250 of its 410 SM-3 air-defense missiles, and between 190 and 370 of its 1,160 SM-6s. The Tomahawks will take 47 months to replace, the SM-6s will take 53 months, and the SM-3s will take 64 months.

The study notes that the situation is not quite as dire as the numbers make it seem. Some of these weapons can be replaced by far cheaper, slightly less capable systems that the U.S. possesses in large quantity. However, for a few of the weapons—the Patriots, THAADs, and SM missiles, which are adept at shooting down short-to-medium-range ballistic missiles—there are no good substitutes.
Trump always has a tell. Unprompted, he said yesterday something to the affect of us having a lot more ammunition now than before the war started.
I think we all know what that means.
 
Trump always has a tell. Unprompted, he said yesterday something to the affect of us having a lot more ammunition now than before the war started.
I think we all know what that means.
When he says things like that, I wonder if he's intentionally lying, or if he's repeating the lies his inner circle tells him to keep him happy. Either is equally disturbing.
 
There is no free world. . . ..
As I have repeated on this board, ad nauseam, I once had the wonderful opportunity to meet Martin Niemoller in a small group setting, TWICE! In a rare display of out-of-character commonsense from me, I managed to keep my mouth shut and not ask any stupid questions both times. One of the other attendees asked something like, "What is the greatest threat to the "Free World"? Martin Niemoller quickly disabused him of notion there was such a thing as the "Free World," and the young man who asked the "Free World" question, rephased it as, "What is the greatest threat to the 'Western World.'" And Martin Niemoller quickly responded, "The love of money."
 
As I have repeated on this board, ad nauseam, I once had the wonderful opportunity to meet Martin Niemoller in a small group setting, TWICE! In a rare display of out-of-character commonsense from me, I managed to keep my mouth shut and not ask any stupid questions both times. One of the other attendees asked something like, "What is the greatest threat to the "Free World"? Martin Niemoller quickly disabused him of notion there was such a thing as the "Free World," and the young man who asked the "Free World" question, rephased it as, "What is the greatest threat to the 'Western World.'" And Martin Niemoller quickly responded, "The love of money."
And also theologians who grease the wheels for Nazis to concentrate power.
 
Back
Top