Israel assaults Iran, pounds Lebanon, Hezbollah

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I assume this means the GOP won't even have to invent a migrant caravan this year, they will have tent cities of rich hippies at Yale singing we are Hezbollah. Super.
 
So, will airplanes now ban all electronics until the supply chains are verified/secured or are we all good with it because it was only Israel that did it?
 
RaiGuy said:
So, will airplanes now ban all electronics until the supply chains are verified/secured or are we all good with it because it was only Israel that did it?
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The xray and ETD machines would pick it up. Doubt it could take down a plane. Hezbollah members avoid commercial flights. Most are labeled terrorists and are on watch lists. Any airline associated with the EU or USA would ban them from their planes and arrest them on the spot then get whatever information they didn't already have from them.
 
shonuff said:
The xray and ETD machines would pick it up. Doubt it could take down a plane. Hezbollah members avoid commercial flights. Most are labeled terrorists and are on watch lists. Any airline associated with the EU or USA would ban them from their planes and arrest them on the spot then get whatever information they didn't already have from them.
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Yeah, i understand what you're saying, but i was asking about in general. What if Israel, or another terrorist group, decides to do that in other places? Are we sure x-rays would catch it?
 
RaiGuy said:
Need? It's Netanyahu, it's definitely a want. He wants to make it as big and messy as possible. He still hasn't said what the end game is or how it can be achieved.
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Will not defend corrupt Netanyahu, but regardless of who is in charge over the past 80 years, there is a need for war. That's what happens when dozens of enemies, some states, other state supported, have your elimination as their goal. Sad, but Israel has a right to exist. I know that's not accepted by many here. I believe they do.
 
Batt Boy said:
Sad, but Israel has a right to exist. I know that's not accepted by many here. I believe they do.
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Please stop with that bullshit. There is nobody on this forum who doubts Israel has a right to exist. Nobody. There are a lot of people who expect Israel to co-exist with other countries and groups that also have a right to exist.

This is one of the worst habits of Zionists and their allies in the States -- i.e. pretending "other countries in addition to Israel have a right to exist" is the same as saying "Israel doesn't have a right to exist." You will lose an audience of intelligent people every time you persist with that illogic. Speaking for myself, it's such fucked-up illogic (and so disrespectful of other viewpoints) that it's hard for me to take you seriously on any topic. This is one reason why Zionism is less popular on college campuses these days. Intelligent people just can't buy what you want to sell.

Don't come back with "From the river to the sea." That's more bullshit. First, almost nobody in America believes that is a call for the extermination of Israel. It doesn't really matter what Hamas means by that phrase. What matters is what people here mean by it. If it makes you feel uncomfortable because it has multiple meanings, then say so. Ask people to use a different slogan. You might be surprised at what you find. But if you tell people "no, using that phrase is inherently hateful and you are all anti-Semites," then again you're going to lose people.

Maybe we'd have a different conversation about this if we were in Israel. Terminology has different meanings in different places. There's nothing inherently terrible about the word n*****. I used to put on concerts, and I had a band from Japan that was blending noise and hip-hop. They were saying mfer this, ***** that. They didn't know. N* meant nothing to them in Japan. I can't see anything wrong with Japanese kids rapping along n this, n that. In America, though, the word has a very different meaning and connotation. So maybe that's true of "From the river to the sea" in Israel. I don't know. I'm willing to entertain the possibility. But here, it's more like n* in Japan than n* here.
 
Not certain.
RaiGuy said:
Yeah, i understand what you're saying, but i was asking about in general. What if Israel, or another terrorist group, decides to do that in other places? Are we sure x-rays would catch it?
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I'm not certain, but i do have faith in our current security from the lack of attacks since 9/11. I'm sure there are a lot of crazy people that would love to take down a plane if a modified pager or smart phone could make it on a plane.
 
superrific said:
Please stop with that bullshit. There is nobody on this forum who doubts Israel has a right to exist. Nobody. There are a lot of people who expect Israel to co-exist with other countries and groups that also have a right to exist.

This is one of the worst habits of Zionists and their allies in the States -- i.e. pretending "other countries in addition to Israel have a right to exist" is the same as saying "Israel doesn't have a right to exist." You will lose an audience of intelligent people every time you persist with that illogic. Speaking for myself, it's such fucked-up illogic (and so disrespectful of other viewpoints) that it's hard for me to take you seriously on any topic. This is one reason why Zionism is less popular on college campuses these days. Intelligent people just can't buy what you want to sell.

Don't come back with "From the river to the sea." That's more bullshit. First, almost nobody in America believes that is a call for the extermination of Israel. It doesn't really matter what Hamas means by that phrase. What matters is what people here mean by it. If it makes you feel uncomfortable because it has multiple meanings, then say so. Ask people to use a different slogan. You might be surprised at what you find. But if you tell people "no, using that phrase is inherently hateful and you are all anti-Semites," then again you're going to lose people.

Maybe we'd have a different conversation about this if we were in Israel. Terminology has different meanings in different places. There's nothing inherently terrible about the word n*****. I used to put on concerts, and I had a band from Japan that was blending noise and hip-hop. They were saying mfer this, ***** that. They didn't know. N* meant nothing to them in Japan. I can't see anything wrong with Japanese kids rapping along n this, n that. In America, though, the word has a very different meaning and connotation. So maybe that's true of "From the river to the sea" in Israel. I don't know. I'm willing to entertain the possibility. But here, it's more like n* in Japan than n* here.
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When you are shouting “from the river to the sea” and writing “death to Israel” at the same time, there’s no confusion about what is meant.
 
RaiGuy said:
So, will airplanes now ban all electronics until the supply chains are verified/secured or are we all good with it because it was only Israel that did it?
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I think we’re good with it because Israel did it and took out about 3,000 terrorists when doing so. I imagine anyone with one eye or one hand who tries to fly out of Beirut in the near future is going to face some extensive questioning.
 
Batt Boy said:
Will not defend corrupt Netanyahu, but regardless of who is in charge over the past 80 years, there is a need for war. That's what happens when dozens of enemies, some states, other state supported, have your elimination as their goal. Sad, but Israel has a right to exist. I know that's not accepted by many here. I believe they do.
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If you made this case in up until the mid 60s, you wouldn't be too offbase but seriously, they got the bomb in about 66 and everyone knew it if they didn't admit it. Nobody was pushing them into the sea after that. The biggest bullies, although there's about a six way tie for biggest assholes, are the Israelis because, not only do they have the bomb, they have us babying them and preventing the UN from doing anything. As early as I feel sorry for you if you believe a tenth of what you're spewing.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
When you are shouting “from the river to the sea” and writing “death to Israel” at the same time, there’s no confusion about what is meant.
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But nobody here is saying that. And the number of Americans who say that is a tiny fraction. It's total bullshit to say that not many people here or in America in general believe Israel has a right to exist.
 
They both have a right to exist. I'm not a both sides person, but this really is a problem with both sides having people who don't want the other to exist. You have terrorists in Palestine killing innocent Israelis, and the you have Israel responding with war that kills innocent Palestinians, and doing thins like keeping aid from getting to innocent Palestinians. I don't know if the fighting between them will ever stop until unfortunately one is wiped off the map.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I think we’re good with it because Israel did it and took out about 3,000 terrorists when doing so. I imagine anyone with one eye or one hand who tries to fly out of Beirut in the near future is going to face some extensive questioning.
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What if Israel sees a target in Europe or the US and they want to "take them out" and then civilians are caught in the crossfire? Would that still be ok since Israel has a right to defend itself using terrorism? Or is it only ok if it happens in countries where the victims aren't white people?
 
Enigma94 said:
But nobody here is saying that. And the number of Americans who say that is a tiny fraction. It's total bullshit to say that not many people here or in America in general believe Israel has a right to exist.
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Nobody on this forum, sure, but did you miss the events that happened at UNC yesterday? Telling Jewish students that they shouldn’t feel threatened by such language and conduct is remarkably tone deaf IMO.
 
RaiGuy said:
What if Israel sees a target in Europe or the US and they want to "take them out" and then civilians are caught in the crossfire? Would that still be ok since Israel has a right to defend itself using terrorism? Or is it only ok if it happens in countries where the victims aren't white people?
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It would depend on the target. The United States and Europe aren’t launching missiles at Israel like Hezbollah has been. If Sinwar was somehow hiding out in Duluth though and Israel could take him out with no collateral damage I’d be all for it.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Nobody on this forum, sure, but did you miss the events that happened at UNC yesterday? Telling Jewish students that they shouldn’t feel threatened by such language and conduct is remarkably tone deaf IMO.
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Should Muslim students feel threatened if someone said "Death to Saudi Arabia"?

While I do not condone saying "Death to" anyone, criticizing Israel is not an attack against Jewish people.
 
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