Israel reaches cease fire with Hezbollah, fighting shifts to Syria

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“The only time Yasser Arafat didn’t tell me the truth was when he promised he was going to accept the peace deal that we had worked out,” Clinton said, referring to the late Palestinian leader.

He told rallygoers that the deal “would have given the Palestinians a state on 96 percent of the West Bank and 4% of Israel, and they got to choose where the 4% of Israel was.” Additionally, he noted, the Palestinians “would have a capital in East Jerusalem,” and “they said no.”

 
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“The only time Yasser Arafat didn’t tell me the truth was when he promised he was going to accept the peace deal that we had worked out,” Clinton said, referring to the late Palestinian leader.

He told rallygoers that the deal “would have given the Palestinians a state on 96 percent of the West Bank and 4% of Israel, and they got to choose where the 4% of Israel was.” Additionally, he noted, the Palestinians “would have a capital in East Jerusalem,” and “they said no.”

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That is not my recollection. I think Bill is here overhyping what was actually on the table for Arafat in that deal. There are plenty of knowledgeable people who blame Israel or even Clinton for the failure of the accord (not sure why you would blame Clinton; it's obvious he was the only reason it was happening). Personally, I tend to come down on the side of "Arafat was most responsible" though there is plenty of blame to go around. Nonetheless, this was an exaggeration.
 
You can read the details here: Clinton Proposal on Israeli-Palestinian Peace

From wiki (linking the article above): The Clinton Parameters proposed a Palestinian state comprising between 94–96% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. Israel would annex the remaining land, which would include Israeli settlements, containing 80% of the settler population, mainly in major settlement blocs. Israel would cede 1–3% of land to the Palestinians in land swaps to partially compensate for the annexations. The Palestinian state would have to be contiguous, and annexed areas along with the number of Palestinians affected would be as minimized as possible.
 
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What is the logical reason to continue to provide military aide to an ally that disregards any restrictions you propose regarding the use of that aide and/or any input on the underlying military campaign?

Of course the most obvious answer is that there is an overriding interest in seeing that ally prevail but I would be interested in viewpoints on this. For example, Ukraine has had to abide by every restriction that has been imposed by the West (including the US) on use of their weapons against Russia.
 
Mundial said:
What is the logical reason to continue to provide military aide to an ally that disregards any restrictions you propose regarding the use of that aide and/or any input on the underlying military campaign?

Of course the most obvious answer is that there is an overriding interest in seeing that ally prevail but I would be interested in viewpoints on this. For example, Ukraine has had to abide by every restriction that has been imposed by the West (including the US) on use of their weapons against Russia.
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Russia has nukes. That's, I think, the entire distinction. It's not an unreasonable one, I don't think.
 
Mundial said:
What is the logical reason to continue to provide military aide to an ally that disregards any restrictions you propose regarding the use of that aide and/or any input on the underlying military campaign?

Of course the most obvious answer is that there is an overriding interest in seeing that ally prevail but I would be interested in viewpoints on this. For example, Ukraine has had to abide by every restriction that has been imposed by the West (including the US) on use of their weapons against Russia.
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Don't kid yourself. The overriding reason that Biden let Israel get away with flaunting our agreements is campaign donations. The reason Trump is going to let them get away with it is an awful lot of Evangelical voters.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Don't kid yourself. The overriding reason that Biden let Israel get away with flaunting our agreements is campaign donations. The reason Trump is going to let them get away with it is an awful lot of Evangelical voters.
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You state this as fact. I’m not at all sure this is the case and neither are you. This is a strong opinion that should be prefaced with “I think…”
 
UN Security Council 1701 or nothing else. Hezbollah north of the Litani and the LA to backfill. Until then, the IDF will continue to purge.
 
MSNBC just now....a long winded conversation ....the part "I haerd" was that the Saudi's-who orangeturd loves-will carry a lot of weight in rebuilding parts of the war zone
If orangturd gets an iranian deal to stop nuclear devlopment Which of course was a deal he killed
 
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