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Paine said:
All the tweet said is “outrage is growing.” Not “everyone is outraged.” Regardless, you claimed to “despise” websites like Democracy Now! even though their content isn’t close to what you describe. They’re anti-genocide and anti-ethnic cleansing.
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They are pro-one side, which is fine but they only have interest in spreading anti-Israel stories.
 
Paine said:
What pro-Israel stories should they be covering? Dispute the facts of their reporting if you really take issue with it.

Nothing dumber than objective journalism being conflated with pure neutrality. I’d much rather read reporting that is upfront about their “biases” than one that hides behind a shield of imagined “neutrality.”

I think it’s good when publications are honest about the fact that they do not support ethnic cleansing, genocide, or colonialism. I support those publications.
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You are right. It’s a legit new source.
 
nrsair said:
I think this guy was previously best known for posing his entire family with AR-15s, right? Wild. It’ll be interesting to see if he survives the inevitable AIPAC-funded primary challenge after that tweet.
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He's best known to me for participating in one of the most farcical exchanges on the House floor. Most farcical at the time, though. It takes quite a loser to let John Kerry be funny:

 
Paine said:
Palestinians don’t want democracy because they *checks notes* voted in an election?
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Nope. Voted for a terrorist organization with ties to religious (Islamic) fundamentalism. Not coincidentally, 2006 was the last Presidential and Parlimentary election in Palestine.
 
ZenMode said:
Nope. Voted for a terrorist organization with ties to religious (Islamic) fundamentalism. Not coincidentally, 2006 was the last Presidential and Parlimentary election in Palestine.
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they don't want democracy because of a shady election that happened 2 decades ago.

lolz.
 
Paine said:
Oh okay, I thought maybe they ran on ending elections and promoting Islamic theocracy. You’re saying that’s not the case though? I’m shocked.
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I'm not saying that wasn't part of their platform. I'm saying I'm aware of the social services and hating Israel.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm not saying that wasn't part of their platform. I'm saying I'm aware of the social services and hating Israel.
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The anti-Israel side would have significantly more credibility if they were just honest about the fact that the platform is really always about destroying Israel.
 
Paine said:
Oh, so you’re spouting off without really knowing what you’re talking about, as usual.

Hamas ran in 2006 on the social services they were already providing, anti-corruption, and basic governance, filling a vacuum left by Fatah’s dysfunction and cronyism. That’s why they won.

But because Palestinians voted for the party actually delivering services, you’ve decided that means they don’t want democracy? Right.
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No.....voting for an Islamist/terrorist group comes with certain risks.

Islamism/Islamic Fundamentalism isn't exactly associated with basic tenants of freedom....
 
Paine said:
We just established that Hamas didn’t run on that in 2006. In fact, they intentionally moderated their image as I detailed. How does any of this mean the Palestinians don’t deserve democracy or don’t want democracy?
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If you're saying they could want democracy/freedom NOW.....sure, I'll buy that, but you don't elect an Islamist government if freedom/democracy is important to you.

I suspect they're having some buyer's remorse right about now.
 
ZenMode said:
If you're saying they could want democracy/freedom NOW.....sure, I'll buy that, but you don't elect an Islamist government if freedom/democracy is important to you.

I suspect they're having some buyer's remorse right about now.
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Where does Netanyahu's yearslong support of Hamas as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority fit in to all of this? Does he get a pass for supporting an Islamist government?
 
Lando said:
I have to ask again. Are we currently arming both?

If disarmament is the preferred outcome, then shouldn't we stop arming the one side that we are currently arming?
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Potentially yes. Unfortunately, one side is starting to attack citizens and can easily be labeled domestic terrorists. Not sure the US can continue to act like the Hamas/Palestine supporters are just a pain in the rear end much longer.
 
Paine said:
If Palestinians didn’t care about democracy, why would they participate in elections at all, especially under occupation and constant pressure?
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Maybe they had other, More important priorities at that time? Maybe the only slightly care about democracy. Either way, you don't elect what is essentially a religious dictatorship without an awareness of electing a religious dictatorship.
 
ZenMode said:
Maybe they had other, More important priorities at that time? Maybe the only slightly care about democracy. Either way, you don't elect what is essentially a religious dictatorship without an awareness of electing a religious dictatorship.
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And you ignore the fact it was Israel that blocked elections from happening again. The more you speak, the more you show that you don’t care to learn about the facts of what’s happened.
 
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