Or, Mike Huckabee is lying? And, he’s hoping to bring about the Apocalypse and Rapture planning that he’ll ascend to Heaven.
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Kinda funny watching two FAR RIGHT WINGERS who are ultimate Trumplicans go after one another. Especially two who are obviously running for the MAGAt POTUS nomination.
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No chance.
- You make one.
- Make a second one.
- Make a missile you can use to deliver a nuclear warhead.
- Make a second missile to demonstrate its effectiveness
- Explode 1st or 2nd nuke
- You’re now a nuclear power
At best (or worst), India and Pakistan engage in playground fights.
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dukeman92
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MAGAts are turning on Tucker.
There's a reason bad regime's are allowed to exist in the Middle East. Would have thought we had learned that lesson in Iraq. That said, we all should have total confidence that Bibi and Trump can manage the aftermath in Iran should they succeed in causing Iran's government to fall.
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Not all bad regime's are equal. Iran has a religious extremist regime. Saddam Hussein successfully controlled religious extremism.
He was evil and probably the closest thing we've had to Hitler 2.0, but he was right, in principle, in wanting to tamp down Muslim fundamentalism.
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Israel Katz says Iran's supreme leader 'can no longer be allowed to exist'
Israel’s defence minister said on Thursday that Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei “can no longer be allowed to exist” after Soroka hospital in southern Israel was hit during an Iranian missile attack, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reports.
Israel-Iran conflict live: Israeli minister says Khamenei ‘can no longer be allowed to exist’ after hospital strike
Defence minister Israel Katz says Iran’s supreme leader ‘personally gives the order to fire on hospitals’
Apparently Israel has a problem with hospitals being targets. Israel Katz really should tell Israel the country about that.
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Netanyahu says US is already helping Israel 'a lot' with Iran conflict
Speaking at Soroka hospital in Beersheba, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked about Donald Trump’s intentions and whether Israel expected the president to join the bombing campaign against Iran.
The president said at the hospital:
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Bibi is trying to pull us into his war. No thank you.
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If you have a NYT sub and haven't listened to Ezra Klein's interview with Ehud Barak - you should. I am pretty pessimistic about Israel's political situation and its relationships with its neighbors, but. I think Barak has always been a light in the darkness, and he is no different here.
So yes, look, it’s very hard for the Israelis to overcome, in generations, the obsession of being the victims of hatred. We so much fell in love with the status of being the underdog, the victim of hatred, of antisemitism, of discrimination, of segregation, of whatever — that we fall into this in every possible occasion that we have. And it’s so easy for so many among us to say: OK, what do they want from us? Don’t we have a right to defend ourselves after what they did on the 7th of October? So now we are defending ourselves. But when we defend ourselves, they hate us. and they attack us, and they riot against us and whatnot.
This is part of the emotional immaturity which has characterized the state of Israel since its proclamation. Also because we had many different occasions in which we could argue that when we were ready for compromise, the other side was not, and as a result of it, we were dragged into these endless wars when it could have been resolved.
One of the problems that I personally have is that whenever I argue, people say to me: Hey, are you not an example? You proposed a comprehensive solution to the Palestinians in 2008 that is entirely compatible with everything that they were demanding all these years: a two-state solution on the basis of ’67’s, with the Old City of Jerusalem not under the exclusive sovereignty of either Israel or Palestine but under a trust of five nations, of which Israel and Palestine were to be part, also with America, with Saudi Arabia, with Jordan, and that you agreed to negotiate the refugee issue within the framework of the Arab Peace Initiative. This was the spirit of what I said in Annapolis, and this is what I presented Abu Mazen as a peace plan, representing the government of Israel, and the outcome was that they didn’t sign. They never said no, it’s true, but they never said yes.
So people come to me now and say: What do they want? Do they want peace? The fact is that they failed to answer you when you presented them with everything that they wanted. So this is a strong argument, and this is something that so many Israelis are anxious to fall in love with, to prove that the other side is not ready and is untrustable and unreliable and never will be accepting and so on and so forth.
But let’s not forget: From 2009 until now, the Israeli government didn’t want to make peace. No Israeli government at that time was ready to embark on a meaningful, serious process of negotiations similar to what I did. Also, in all those years, the security agencies of the Palestinian Authority cooperated with the Israeli Secret Service in order to battle terror from the West Bank. And at the same time, the Israeli government ignored the Palestinian Authority and cultivated Hamas with money that came from Qatar.
But at the end of the day, so many of the Israelis say: Listen, we don’t want to hear about that. We don’t want to deal with that. They hate us. They didn’t want to make peace. They’re terrorists. They’re fundamentalists. They are ayatollahs. They are jihadis. They are whatnot. And we have to be strong and defend ourselves.
OK, we have to cope with this, and we have to change it. For me, it’s my life’s mission. I have nothing else to fight for but to try and change this and contribute to change this balance.
So yes, look, it’s very hard for the Israelis to overcome, in generations, the obsession of being the victims of hatred. We so much fell in love with the status of being the underdog, the victim of hatred, of antisemitism, of discrimination, of segregation, of whatever — that we fall into this in every possible occasion that we have. And it’s so easy for so many among us to say: OK, what do they want from us? Don’t we have a right to defend ourselves after what they did on the 7th of October? So now we are defending ourselves. But when we defend ourselves, they hate us. and they attack us, and they riot against us and whatnot.
This is part of the emotional immaturity which has characterized the state of Israel since its proclamation. Also because we had many different occasions in which we could argue that when we were ready for compromise, the other side was not, and as a result of it, we were dragged into these endless wars when it could have been resolved.
One of the problems that I personally have is that whenever I argue, people say to me: Hey, are you not an example? You proposed a comprehensive solution to the Palestinians in 2008 that is entirely compatible with everything that they were demanding all these years: a two-state solution on the basis of ’67’s, with the Old City of Jerusalem not under the exclusive sovereignty of either Israel or Palestine but under a trust of five nations, of which Israel and Palestine were to be part, also with America, with Saudi Arabia, with Jordan, and that you agreed to negotiate the refugee issue within the framework of the Arab Peace Initiative. This was the spirit of what I said in Annapolis, and this is what I presented Abu Mazen as a peace plan, representing the government of Israel, and the outcome was that they didn’t sign. They never said no, it’s true, but they never said yes.
So people come to me now and say: What do they want? Do they want peace? The fact is that they failed to answer you when you presented them with everything that they wanted. So this is a strong argument, and this is something that so many Israelis are anxious to fall in love with, to prove that the other side is not ready and is untrustable and unreliable and never will be accepting and so on and so forth.
But let’s not forget: From 2009 until now, the Israeli government didn’t want to make peace. No Israeli government at that time was ready to embark on a meaningful, serious process of negotiations similar to what I did. Also, in all those years, the security agencies of the Palestinian Authority cooperated with the Israeli Secret Service in order to battle terror from the West Bank. And at the same time, the Israeli government ignored the Palestinian Authority and cultivated Hamas with money that came from Qatar.
But at the end of the day, so many of the Israelis say: Listen, we don’t want to hear about that. We don’t want to deal with that. They hate us. They didn’t want to make peace. They’re terrorists. They’re fundamentalists. They are ayatollahs. They are jihadis. They are whatnot. And we have to be strong and defend ourselves.
OK, we have to cope with this, and we have to change it. For me, it’s my life’s mission. I have nothing else to fight for but to try and change this and contribute to change this balance.
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Israel-Iran war live: US reportedly moving B-2 bombers to Guam as Trump weighs strikes on Iran
Iran’s foreign minister urges US not to join war after a night of strikes from both Tehran and Israel
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June 21, 2025, 8:06 p.m. ETJust now
David E. Sanger
By the time U.S. aircraft bombed the Natanz nuclear site, the International Atomic Energy Agency assessed that all the centrifuges in its hall, about 100 feet underground, had been knocked out by Israel’s attack on the electrical system that fed the machines, which spin at supersonic speeds. But the U.S. bombs would have likely done far more damage to the facility, the same one that the Bush and Obama administrations hit more than 15 years ago in the Stuxnet cyber attack. That covert attack was undertaken because both Bush and Obama considered bombing to be too risky.
David E. Sanger
By the time U.S. aircraft bombed the Natanz nuclear site, the International Atomic Energy Agency assessed that all the centrifuges in its hall, about 100 feet underground, had been knocked out by Israel’s attack on the electrical system that fed the machines, which spin at supersonic speeds. But the U.S. bombs would have likely done far more damage to the facility, the same one that the Bush and Obama administrations hit more than 15 years ago in the Stuxnet cyber attack. That covert attack was undertaken because both Bush and Obama considered bombing to be too risky.
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The attack on the sites is the first time since the Iranian revolution, in 1979, that the United States has sent its Air Force to strike major facilities inside the country, an act of war. But President Trump has now inserted the U.S. military directly into an open conflict with Iran, which a succession of American presidents, dating back to Jimmy Carter, tried to avoid. Mr. Trump made no effort in his Truth Social post to justify what administration officials said would be a pre-emptive attack, to keep Iran from a final race for the bomb.
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You know Lyndsey wouldn't be able to contain his erection on this.
Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of the most vocal Iran defense hawks on Capitol Hill, celebrated the strike, saying in a social media post that it was “the right call.” Graham had been in regular contact with President Trump to argue in favor of strikes. In his post on Saturday, he said, “The regime deserves it.”
Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of the most vocal Iran defense hawks on Capitol Hill, celebrated the strike, saying in a social media post that it was “the right call.” Graham had been in regular contact with President Trump to argue in favor of strikes. In his post on Saturday, he said, “The regime deserves it.”
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A U.S. official said that six B-2 bombers dropped a dozen 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs on the Fordo nuclear site, which lies deep underground, and Navy submarines fired 30 TLAM cruise missiles at the Natanz and Isfahan sites. One B-2 also dropped two bunker busters on Natanz, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.
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and this dickhead
Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, whose unqualified support for Israel has put him at odds with other members of his party, was one of the few Democrats to offer an immediate statement of support. He wrote on social media that the military action “was the correct move.”
“Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities,” Mr. Fetterman added. “I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”
Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, whose unqualified support for Israel has put him at odds with other members of his party, was one of the few Democrats to offer an immediate statement of support. He wrote on social media that the military action “was the correct move.”
“Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities,” Mr. Fetterman added. “I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”