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superrific said:
Was it right or wrong for the US to have carpet bombed Vietnam with napalm, agent orange and conventional explosives, since the VC fighters were "hiding" amidst the villages?
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The standards of war have changed over time. Things that were viewed as acceptable in the past are not now.
superrific said:
What never occurs to the unreflective apologist is that the Hamas soldiers "hide" among civilians because that's where they live. They aren't a professional military with military bases and barracks for the troops. Like the VC in that respect. That's what happens in such situations.
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Terrorists don't live in operating hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...
superrific said:
For many years, Israel squeezed Gaza pointlessly. It made the Palestinians angry. Very angry, and rightfully so. Some of them joined Hamas, and Hamas realized that its previous strategy of isolated bombings had become ineffective. So it planned something bigger.
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Israel has to monitor Gaza because they're run by terrorists. Giving Gaza absolute sovereignty would only allow the terrorists to make more and more murderous attempts at actually wiping Israel of the map.
superrific said:
What do you think is going to happen next? Islamism is going to just die because Hamas was destroyed? Thousands of years of human history suggest that is not the likely outcome. What is much more likely is that terrorists will get their hands on a nuke and bye bye Tel Aviv. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
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Again, should Israel allow Hamas to murder and take hostages, run back to their schools, hospitals and churces and hide, avoiding any kind of consequence for their actions?
 
ZenMode said:
Again, should Israel allow Hamas to murder and take hostages, run back to their schools, hospitals and churces and hide, avoiding any kind of consequence for their actions?
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You really think the alternative to a genocide is "no consequence"? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

Why was Israel able to neutralize Hezbollah without turning Lebanon into a rubble pile? What is the main difference between those situations? It can't possibly be oceanside real estate, can it?
 
ZenMode said:
The standards of war have changed over time. Things that were viewed as acceptable in the past are not now.
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All of that shit in Vietnam was illegal. It was well known to be wrong, which is why the military spent so much effort covering it up.

But anyway, your answer gave away your whole game, lol. You don't even know what helps your argument versus hurts it. If your response to the Vietnam atrocities is to say, "well, things have changed" -- well, guess what asshat? That undermines your argument. That shows that everyone knows what Israel is doing is wrong.
 
superrific said:
You really think the alternative to a genocide is "no consequence"? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
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There is no genocide. Israel is more then capable of committing genocide. They've killed about 55k people in a country of 3 million, with 15k people per square mile. Either Israel is the inept military in world history or they aren't even trying to commit genocide.
superrific said:
Why was Israel able to neutralize Hezbollah without turning Lebanon into a rubble pile? What is the main difference between those situations? It can't possibly be oceanside real estate, can it?
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I have no idea. Hezbollah isn't Hamas. Lebanon isn't Gaza. It would appear that Hezbollah/Lebanon actually care about not being turned into rubble.
 
superrific said:
All of that shit in Vietnam was illegal. It was well known to be wrong, which is why the military spent so much effort covering it up.

But anyway, your answer gave away your whole game, lol. You don't even know what helps your argument versus hurts it. If your response to the Vietnam atrocities is to say, "well, things have changed" -- well, guess what asshat? That undermines your argument. That shows that everyone knows what Israel is doing is wrong.
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I was referring to a number of things, like Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Stop changing the subject.

Anyway, no, terrorists don't live in operating hospitals, churches, schools and mosques....

Israel has to monitor/manage Gaza for survival because Gaza is run by terrorists.
 
ZenMode said:
As I've asked multiple times, what should Israel do? Hamas continually attacks them, with the biggest attack being on 10/7/23, then they run back to Gaza, hostages in hand, and hide in hospitals, churches, schools and mosques...

What should Israel do? Let them continually attack without consequence?
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Notice how no one can answer this question.
 
superrific said:
Just out of curiosity, what's the emergency responder response to the following situation (adapted from real life events): A person takes a whole bunch of guns into a hotel room. He starts shooting at pedestrians below, while taking some hostages for protection.

Would you respond by:

1. Blowing up the hotel with a bunker busting bomb; or
2. Find a different way

Just curious.
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I don’t think that is a fair comparison. 10/7 wasn’t just one lone gunman. It was a coordinated attack by hundreds of heavily armed terrorists. Not to mention the thousands of missiles that Hamas launched into Israel prior to and after 10/7. Hamas is a paramilitary terrorist organization. Law enforcement would not be leading the response to them.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Notice how no one can answer this question.
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How about you answer how Israel will know when it has defeated Hamas and when this "war" will end? They've tried and failed many times to defeat Hamas. It won't work this way either. Ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians out of Gaza is not a solution.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Notice how no one can answer this question.
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Yes. Nobody knows what Israel should do, but they know what Israel shouldn't do and that is attempt to win and defeat Hamas. They're apparently supposed to respond, but only a little bit...and then wait for the next attack and respond just a little bit and so on...
 
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ZenMode said:
Yes.

Yes. Nobody knows what Israel should do, but they know what Israel shouldn't do and that is attempt to win and defeat Hamas. They're apparently supposed to respond, but only a little bit...and then wait for the next attack and respond just a little bit and so on...
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Again, you haven't answered how their strategy will work this time when they've tried it many times before and failed. They have no real plan to deal with Hamas. Their only plan to flatten and clear the land to take it over. Yet, either your head is in the sand or you are too stupid to see that.
 
RaiGuy said:
Again, you haven't answered how their strategy will work this time when they've tried it many times before and failed.
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I don't recall Israel trying a full ground invasion.
RaiGuy said:
They have no real plan to deal with Hamas.
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I've said before that there is no way for Israel, on its own, to fix the issue of Muslim terrorism/Islamism on its own. That can only be fixed internally by moderate/liberal Muslims. So, it may be true that all Israel can do is decimate Gaza/Hamas, destroy all their tunnels, destroy all their weaponsetc just hoping to push the next October 7th attack further out. It may also be true that Israel can get Hamas out of government. An October 7th-type attack didn't happen under Fatah. I assume that is due to the fact that Hamas was only operating within Gaza, not running the government of Gaza.
RaiGuy said:
Their only plan to flatten and clear the land to take it over. Yet, either your head is in the sand or you are too stupid to see that.
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Neither you or I can speak for Israel. We can discuss Israel taking over Gaza IF it happens. Until it does, it's speculation.
 


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I mean, yeah, agreed. Has Israel read the Ransom of Red Chief?
 
RaiGuy said:
How about you answer how Israel will know when it has defeated Hamas and when this "war" will end? They've tried and failed many times to defeat Hamas. It won't work this way either. Ethnically cleansing all the Palestinians out of Gaza is not a solution.
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They seem to have done a good job at dismantling their key enemies. Hamas is weakened and unable to launch another 10/7-style attack. Hezbollah has been crippled and is no longer interested in fighting. The Houthis are done. Iran has backed off. People may not like the tactics, but Israel has done a remarkable job at neutralizing their adversaries.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The tunnels under the hospitals aren’t even in dispute.
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No one is disputing the existence of tunnels, as Israel themselves built some under one of the Gaza hospitals. What is disputed is how to deal with them. Flattening everything above them is not the course of action that should be taken. Israel is able to conduct targeted attacks, but they decide going for total destruction is better.
 
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