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ZenMode said:
How are they "running things" that causes Palestinian deaths daily?

You should let them know because they are handing out lots of aid (estimated 46 million meals since late May) with the help of the US.

You mean to protect them from Hamas/Al Qassam? Yes, seems like a great idea to me. I don't expect aid workers to participate in armed conflict, but I'm more than happy to see theocratic lunatics fight it out. Sounds like a win-win.
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Go watch the videos on how they are running things then come back to me. They are running things like Hunger Games and those ISIS thugs have shot at people as well. I like how you think sending in ISIS is a good idea. Makes sense to your logic.
 
RaiGuy said:
Go watch the videos on how they are running things then come back to me. They are running things like Hunger Games and those ISIS thugs have shot at people as well. I like how you think sending in ISIS is a good idea. Makes sense to your logic.
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They're giving out over a million meals per day. I don't know what you're referring to, but they are clearly doing something right.
 
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RaiGuy said:
www.doctorswithoutborders.org

Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid distribution system must be dismantled

One month after its launch, this US-backed aid scheme has been deadly and done little for Palestinians in desperate need of food and other critical supplies.
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I've seen some of the videos and, yes, there are situation where the distribution gets chaotic and dangerous. I read that a couple hundred have been killed and about 3k injured. That isn't really surprising given the situation.

Nearly all of the videos also showed lines of people calmly walking away from the distribution centers with huge bags of flour and other items. It's fine to call for an end to/fix of GHF's distribution process, but nobody has suggested a better idea that actually ensures some semblance of control.

There are realities in war. Civilians will die. Civilians will be injured. There will be ugly events. That doesn't mean, in this case, the entire process needs to be scrapped.

The real question is why the government of Gaza is trying to get aid workers killed when it's those aid worker who are trying to feed Gazans?
 
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Hamas and Bibi need each other to survive. Mango Duce isn't going to do anything.

Genocide and War Crimes continue in Ukraine. War Crimes continue in Gaza.
 
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Sounds familiar. In essence, the same damn plan Biden proposed. Naturally, the MSM and interwebz folks, including the far left and Hamas initiated protests slammed it. MSM was desperate for Trump 2.0 to bolster their sagging ratings.

arabcenterdc.org

Biden’s Warmed-over Ceasefire Proposal

In the midst of what the White House touted to supporters as a significant update of his administration’s diplomatic efforts regarding the eight-month-old unabated crisis in the Middle East, President Joe Biden floated on May 31, 2024, a curious and surprising ceasefire proposal to end the war...
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In phase one, Israel and Hamas are expected to implement the following steps:

  1. The establishment of a full and complete ceasefire for six weeks;
  2. The withdrawal of Israeli forces from all populated areas of Gaza;
  3. The release of a number of Israeli and American hostages, including women, the elderly, and the wounded, in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel;
  4. The return of displaced Palestinian civilians to their homes in all areas of the Gaza Strip;
  5. A surge of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, up to 600 trucks per day;
  6. The beginning of negotiations between Israel and Hamas on necessary arrangements leading to a permanent end to hostilities;
  7. The US, Egypt, and Qatar would ensure the continuation of negotiations until all agreements are reached and phase two is set to begin.
In phase two, all remaining living hostages will be exchanged, including male soldiers, Israeli troops would withdraw from Gaza, and the temporary ceasefire implemented in phase one will evolve into a permanent cessation of hostilities. Finally, phase three will bring about the return of the remains of dead hostages and the beginning of massive reconstruction of the decimated Gaza Strip. Biden committed the United States to join its partners in the rebuilding of “homes, schools, and hospitals in Gaza to help repair communities that were destroyed in the chaos of war.”
 
Duke Mu said:
Sounds familiar. In essence, the same damn plan Biden proposed. Naturally, the MSM and interwebz folks, including the far left and Hamas initiated protests slammed it. MSM was desperate for Trump 2.0 to bolster their sagging ratings.

arabcenterdc.org

Biden’s Warmed-over Ceasefire Proposal

In the midst of what the White House touted to supporters as a significant update of his administration’s diplomatic efforts regarding the eight-month-old unabated crisis in the Middle East, President Joe Biden floated on May 31, 2024, a curious and surprising ceasefire proposal to end the war...
arabcenterdc.org arabcenterdc.org

In phase one, Israel and Hamas are expected to implement the following steps:

  1. The establishment of a full and complete ceasefire for six weeks;
  2. The withdrawal of Israeli forces from all populated areas of Gaza;
  3. The release of a number of Israeli and American hostages, including women, the elderly, and the wounded, in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel;
  4. The return of displaced Palestinian civilians to their homes in all areas of the Gaza Strip;
  5. A surge of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, up to 600 trucks per day;
  6. The beginning of negotiations between Israel and Hamas on necessary arrangements leading to a permanent end to hostilities;
  7. The US, Egypt, and Qatar would ensure the continuation of negotiations until all agreements are reached and phase two is set to begin.
In phase two, all remaining living hostages will be exchanged, including male soldiers, Israeli troops would withdraw from Gaza, and the temporary ceasefire implemented in phase one will evolve into a permanent cessation of hostilities. Finally, phase three will bring about the return of the remains of dead hostages and the beginning of massive reconstruction of the decimated Gaza Strip. Biden committed the United States to join its partners in the rebuilding of “homes, schools, and hospitals in Gaza to help repair communities that were destroyed in the chaos of war.”
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“The return of all displaced Palestinian civilians to their homes in all areas of the Gaza Strip.”

I wonder how many 10’s/100’s of thousands have no homes to which to return?
 
Not sure of validity, will be interesting to see over the next weeks.


nypost.com

Top West Bank sheiks propose recognizing the state of Israel, leaving Palestinian Authority: letter

Sheikh Wadee’ al-Jaabari — one of the most influential leaders in Hebron, the West Bank’s largest region — urged Israel and President Trump, who oversaw the Abraham Accords in his first term,…
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www.timesofisrael.com

Five Hebron sheikhs pen letter asking to join Abraham Accords as emirate, dismiss two-state solution — report

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no response from Hamas in Gaza, but understandable
www.bbc.com

Hamas security officer says group has lost control over most of Gaza /OR/ Hamas security officer says clans filling void as group loses control of Gaza

The officer says Israeli strikes have devastated the group's leadership and structure, and that armed clans are filling the void.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Fingers crossed for a liberal replacement.

...."About the security situation, let me be clear: it has completely collapsed. Totally gone. There's no control anywhere," he said.

"People looted the most powerful Hamas security apparatus (Ansar), the complex which Hamas used to rule Gaza.

"They looted everything, the offices - mattresses, even zinc panels - and no-one intervened. No police, no security."

www.bbc.com

Hamas security officer says group has lost control over most of Gaza /OR/ Hamas security officer says clans filling void as group loses control of Gaza

The officer says Israeli strikes have devastated the group's leadership and structure, and that armed clans are filling the void.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
ZenMode said:
Fingers crossed for a liberal replacement.

...."About the security situation, let me be clear: it has completely collapsed. Totally gone. There's no control anywhere," he said.

"People looted the most powerful Hamas security apparatus (Ansar), the complex which Hamas used to rule Gaza.

"They looted everything, the offices - mattresses, even zinc panels - and no-one intervened. No police, no security."

www.bbc.com

Hamas security officer says group has lost control over most of Gaza /OR/ Hamas security officer says clans filling void as group loses control of Gaza

The officer says Israeli strikes have devastated the group's leadership and structure, and that armed clans are filling the void.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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So Israel has basically turned Gaza into Haiti. That is not good for Israel and is terrible for the Palestinians. Hopefully, the old men moving the chess pieces can come up with a pan-Arab solution that will restore order in Gaza and make life a little more tolerable for the Gazans.
 
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