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[RaiGuy]

 

[ZenMode]

Thousands of Israeli teens chanting something that they clearly shouldn't be chanting. Bad news.

Imagine if the majority of your population, including adults, had the same sentiment and supported the government actively pursuing the death of an entire population of people.

 

[RaiGuy]

Thousands of Israeli teens chanting something that they clearly shouldn't be chanting. Bad news.

Imagine if the majority of your population, including adults, had the same sentiment and supported the government actively pursuing the death of an entire population of people.

oh, you mean like this?



GTFOH with your fake morality.

 

[superrific]

Thousands of Israeli teens chanting something that they clearly shouldn't be chanting. Bad news.

Imagine if the majority of your population, including adults, had the same sentiment and supported the government actively pursuing the death of an entire population of people.

I thought you had come around. Instead, I didn't realize the depth of your depravity. You are JCDing "death to arabs."

The only people pursuing the death of an entire population is Israel. This is as clear as night and day. You're on the wrong side here, but you're on the wrong side 95% of the time so I guess it's just you being you.

 

[ZenMode]

I thought you had come around. Instead, I didn't realize the depth of your depravity. You are JCDing "death to arabs."

The only people pursuing the death of an entire population is Israel. This is as clear as night and day. You're on the wrong side here, but you're on the wrong side 95% of the time so I guess it's just you being you.

As long as you ignore the fact that they (Israel) are actively trying to limit civilian deaths, despite being more than capable of wiping out Gaza if they wanted to.... sure, you're totally right.

 

[superrific]

As long as you ignore the fact that they (Israel) are actively trying to limit civilian deaths, despite being more than capable of wiping out Gaza if they wanted to.... sure, you're totally right.

Literally the reason they haven't wiped out Gaza already is that they would lose all support in Europe and most of it in the US.

The Israeli government has long been run by murderous maniacs. Indeed, Ariel Sharon presided over this:

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"
In February 1983, an independent commission chaired by Irish diplomat Seán MacBride, assistant to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, concluded that the IDF, as the then occupying power over Sabra and Shatila, bore responsibility for the militia's massacre. The commission also stated that the massacre was a form of genocide. And in February 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission found that Israeli military personnel had failed to take serious steps to stop the killings despite being aware of the militia's actions, and deemed that the IDF was indirectly responsible for the events,"

 

[farce©]

They’re deliberately starving children.

Yes, it seems the Israelis prefer to kill Palestinian civilians slowly and torturously rather than with a bang.

 

[4thgenheel]

i mean, just look at all the posts over the past few days highlighting Israelis straight-up saying the quiet parts out loud and still zenmode is in here JCD'ing his "good guys."

hilarious yet sickening stuff.

 

[ZenMode]

Literally the reason they haven't wiped out Gaza already is that they would lose all support in Europe and most of it in the US.

That is your opinion, not a fact.

The Israeli government has long been run by murderous maniacs. Indeed, Ariel Sharon presided over this:

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"
In February 1983, an independent commission chaired by Irish diplomat Seán MacBride, assistant to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, concluded that the IDF, as the then occupying power over Sabra and Shatila, bore responsibility for the militia's massacre. The commission also stated that the massacre was a form of genocide. And in February 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission found that Israeli military personnel had failed to take serious steps to stop the killings despite being aware of the militia's actions, and deemed that the IDF was indirectly responsible for the events,"

The Kahan report stating that Israel is "indirectly responsible" for what the Phalangist militia did 40+ years ago is some weak-ass evidence to support your assertion about what Israel wants to do today.

 

[superrific]

That is your opinion, not a fact.

The Kahan report stating that Israel is "indirectly responsible" for what the Phalangist militia did 40+ years ago is some weak-ass evidence to support your assertion about what Israel wants to do today.

Well, I was referring to the UN findings about genocide. But you missed the point, which was about Israeli leadership. Ariel Sharon was the person directly responsible for something the UN deemed to be genocide. Did that stop him from becoming prime minister? It did not.

I've long maintained that there was little difference in personality or world view between Milosevic and Sharon. The difference was in a) Israeli civil society and b) Israel's allies, both of which would prevent a full ethnic cleansing in the Jewish state. Well, the civil society guardrail is gone, so it's just allies.

Netanyahu has proven himself to be every bit the monster as Sharon. Not all Israelis are like that, and not even necessarily all Likud party either. But the most powerful parties in Israel are the extremist settler/hasidim parties that would order the napalming of the entire Gaza strip if they had the opportunity. And it's that right wing -- the same swamp from where Sharon emanated as PM -- that is causing this genocide right now.

 

[ZenMode]

They’re deliberately starving children.

The claims of Israel committing genocide started on 10/9/2023.

The claims on this forum, of genocide by Israel, also started loooong before the denial of aid.

 

[superrific]

The claims of Israel committing genocide started on 10/9/2023.

Except for that 1983 UN report literally quoted to you, which you dismissed as irrelevant today. Which is it?

But yes, what Israel has done in the past two years is genocidal to a far greater degree. Sharon presided over the Israeli version of a pogrom. Now they're expanding it to a Holocaust. Remember -- it took the Nazis a full decade before they started killing Jews en masse.

 

[ZenMode]

Except for that 1983 UN report literally quoted to you, which you dismissed as irrelevant today. Which is it?

What do you think? The event you referenced happened over 40 years ago was carried out by a group, Phalangist militia, that isn't associated with Israel. Israel, under the leadership at the time, which is not the leadership now, didn't actually carry out any of the atrocities and was only found to be "indirectly responsible" because they didn't stop it from happening. Do you think that says a lot about recent events?

But yes, what Israel has done in the past two years is genocidal to a far greater degree.

As long as you ignore that extremely low number of civilian deaths.....

Sharon presided over the Israeli version of a pogrom. Now they're expanding it to a Holocaust. Remember -- it took the Nazis a full decade before they started killing Jews en masse.

Well, Palestinian terrorists have been attacking Israel for a lot more than a decade and Israel hasn't committed any mass killings, yet. In fact, the population of Gaza has grown at 3x the world average.

 

[ZenMode]

oh, you mean like this?



GTFOH with your fake morality.

If you think 'forced deportation' is what Palestinians have in mind when talking about wiping out Israel, I have some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell you.

 

[Duke Mu]

Could it be more obvious that Bibi and Putin have ZERO respect for Trump? Xi, LRM, EU, Iran scoff and sharpen their knives (watch out, Taiwan). No one is afraid of TACO Trump.

So, Trump will prey on the perceived weak: immigrants, disabled, old, young, international students, poor, educators, researchers instead.

He only punches down.

 

[RaiGuy]

If you think 'forced deportation' is what Palestinians have in mind when talking about wiping out Israel, I have some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell you.

As usual, you keep detracting from the point and moving the goal posts. You were arguing how Israel morally superior, and then there are a shit load of examples of them saying/doing similar things to the things you criticize Hamas for, yet you deflect. If you criticize one, you should criticize both. As I stated earlier, both have 0 morality.

 

[Duke Mu]

What do you think? The event you referenced happened over 40 years ago was carried out by a group, Phalangist militia, that isn't associated with Israel. Israel, under the leadership at the time, which is not the leadership now, didn't actually carry out any of the atrocities and was only found to be "indirectly responsible" because they didn't stop it from happening. Do you think that says a lot about recent events?

As long as you ignore that extremely low number of civilian deaths.....

Well, Palestinian terrorists have been attacking Israel for a lot more than a decade and Israel hasn't committed any mass killings, yet. In fact, the population of Gaza has grown at 3x the world average.

Bibi monetarily supported Hamas and paroxysmal terrorism through Qatar for a decade, because he thought the adversarial relationship would keep him in power. The War on Gaza has been perpetrated in a manner to keep Bibi in power and out of prison. Netanyahu knew about the terrorist plans at least 9 months in advance and he did nothing. He's their baby Daddy.

Trump is finally discovering that hell no, Bibi and Putin will not listen to them

Having said that there has been terrorist campaigns against Jordan and Egypt, then Israel since the PLO formed in 1962.

In 1948, Jordan took possession of 2nd Arab state land/Palestine in 1948. The WB is written into Jordan's US Charter. Gaza became a territory/protectorate of Egypt.Palestine has a country has only existed for about 6 months since 1947.

Frankly, after the Arab nations invaded Israel for the 3rd time in 1967 and took the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan Hills. Israel should have annexed all three areas immediately on the three strikes, you're out, and I take the land as a buffer. All people who wanted to leave should have been able to (some did) in 1967. No walls would be needed.

After the 1972 Munich hostage crisis and massacre, Israel and the US should have ENDED Arafat (Egyptian) and PLO. Arafat went into "exile" in Tunisia from Beirut, but still ran the PLO like a drug kingpin out of prison. Arafat died a multi-billionaire.

 

[ZenMode]

As usual, you keep detracting from the point and moving the goal posts. You were arguing how Israel morally superior,

They are.

and then there are a shit load of examples of them saying/doing similar things to the things you criticize Hamas for, yet you deflect.

What is the "similar thing" to October 7th that was committed by IDF/Israel?

If you criticize one, you should criticize both. As I stated earlier, both have 0 morality.

I've criticized Israel for denying aid. Even if it's continually being intercepted by the terrorists, Israel should continue allowing it in.

 

[4thgenheel]

 

[RaiGuy]

They are.

What is the "similar thing" to October 7th that was committed by IDF/Israel?

I've criticized Israel for denying aid. Even if it's continually being intercepted by the terrorists, Israel should continue allowing it in.

I like how Israel uses Oct 7th to justify everything they have done, and anything done before does not justify Oct 7th and anything Israel has done after cannot be used as an excuse for an attack against them. Seem hypocritical. Israel always plays the victim.

Also, the myth of aid being "intercepted by terrorists" has been refuted by western sources and the heads of the aid groups. If you can read the links from the last couple pages and still believe Israel is moral, then you lose any credibility that you may have had.