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4thgenheel said:
lmao. saying that israel isn't morally superior doesn't mean that hamas is. this is elementary level comprehension work.
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Do you believe he's saying that the two sides are identical morally? There's no difference. I don't.

4thgenheel said:
frankly, israel should be held to a higher standard as a supposedly civilized, democratic country. hamas are savage terrorists. sad that israel can't distinguish themselves from savage terrorists.
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To reasonable and rational people, Israel has distinguished itself since the beginning and continues to do so on a daily basis.
 
ZenMode said:
Do you believe he's saying that the two sides are identical morally? There's no difference. I don't.


To reasonable and rational people, Israel has distinguished itself since the beginning and continues to do so on a daily basis.
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he can speak for himself but your claim that him saying that israel is not morally superior means that hamas is morally superior is idiotic and obviously incorrect. like i said, that's an elementary school level comprehension blunder from you.

the UK, France and Canada literally just issued a joint statement yesterday condemning and threatening israel.

"Keir Starmer, together with France’s Emmanuel Macron and Canada’s Mark Carney released a joint statement calling Israel’s escalation “wholly disproportionate”.

“We strongly oppose the expansion of Israel’s military operations in Gaza. The level of human suffering in Gaza is intolerable,” the leaders said, also condemning Israel’s actions in the occupied West Bank. “Israel must halt settlements which are illegal...We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions.”

essentially the entire world aside from right wing authoritarian governments condemn israel's ongoing actions and behavior. to reasonable and rational people, they are disgusting war criminals engaged in obvious ethnic cleansing. numerous countries have severed diplomatic relations with israel and/or recalled their ambassadors. get your head out of your ass.
 
ZenMode said:
"Your only argument is that Israel is morally superior to Hamas (which is not saying much and also not true)"
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Maybe you're a numbers guy since words don't seem to send the message. Let's say morals are rated from 0-10, with 10 being the highest. Hamas is rated at 0. For Israel to be morally superior, they would need to be at a 1 or greater. I am saying they, too, are at a 0. So, they are not morally superior to Hamas because 0 is not a bigger number than 0. If numbers don't work, I will have to try and use maybe stick figures or colors, whatever is easier for you to comprehend.
 
4thgenheel said:
he can speak for himself but your claim that him saying that israel is not morally superior means that hamas is morally superior is idiotic and obviously incorrect. like i said, that's an elementary school level comprehension blunder from you.
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Again, there are only 3 options: 1) Israel is morally superior, 2) Hamas and Israel are morally identical or 3) Hamas is morally superior. We know it's not #1. Do YOU think he's saying they are identical morally? Identical? Absolutely no difference? If you don't, then it can't be #2 and he has to be saying that Hamas is morally superior. This is elementary school level reasoning.
4thgenheel said:
the UK, France and Canada literally just issued a joint statement yesterday condemning and threatening israel.

"Keir Starmer, together with France’s Emmanuel Macron and Canada’s Mark Carney released a joint statement calling Israel’s escalation “wholly disproportionate”.

“We strongly oppose the expansion of Israel’s military operations in Gaza. The level of human suffering in Gaza is intolerable,” the leaders said, also condemning Israel’s actions in the occupied West Bank. “Israel must halt settlements which are illegal...We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions.”

essentially the entire world aside from right wing authoritarian governments condemn israel's ongoing actions and behavior. to reasonable and rational people, they are disgusting war criminals engaged in obvious ethnic cleansing. numerous countries have severed diplomatic relations with israel and/or recalled their ambassadors. get your head out of your ass.
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I don't agree with the denial of aid and don't know enough about the details of the latest offensive to comment, but those two issue are very recent and unrelated to the baseless moral comparisons/attacks on Israel going back for literally 20 months. People were crying genocide on the first day of Israel's response to 10/7.
 
ZenMode said:
Again, there are only 3 options: 1) Israel is morally superior, 2) Hamas and Israel are morally identical or 3) Hamas is morally superior. We know it's not #1. Do YOU think he's saying they are identical morally? Identical? Absolutely no difference? If you don't, then it can't be #2 and he has to be saying that Hamas is morally superior. This is elementary school level reasoning.

I don't agree with the denial of aid and don't know enough about the details of the latest offensive to comment, but those two issue are very recent and unrelated to the baseless moral comparisons/attacks on Israel going back for literally 20 months. People were crying genocide on the first day of Israel's response to 10/7.
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Of course he is saying 2. He is saying that 0=0 and everyone on the board with basic reading (not to mention math) comprehension understands that point.
 
RaiGuy at 12:45: "Hamas is rated at 0. For Israel to be morally superior, they would need to be at a 1 or greater. I am saying they, too, are at a 0."

Zen, in the immediately following post, at 1:00: "Again, there are only 3 options: 1) Israel is morally superior, 2) Hamas and Israel are morally identical or 3) Hamas is morally superior. We know it's not #1. Do YOU think he's saying they are identical morally? Identical? Absolutely no difference? If you don't, then it can't be #2 and he has to be saying that Hamas is morally superior."

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RaiGuy said:
Maybe you're a numbers guy since words don't seem to send the message. Let's say morals are rated from 0-10, with 10 being the highest. Hamas is rated at 0. For Israel to be morally superior, they would need to be at a 1 or greater. I am saying they, too, are at a 0. So, they are not morally superior to Hamas because 0 is not a bigger number than 0. If numbers don't work, I will have to try and use maybe stick figures or colors, whatever is easier for you to comprehend.
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Obviously, I have no way to prove that you don't believe what you're saying regarding moral equality, but it's baffling that you'd even put the two sides on "equal" moral footing. Even that, to me, is so unreasonable that it's indirectly showing support for Hamas because you don't want to directly show support for Hamas, but whatever....
 
ZenMode said:
Obviously, I have no way to prove that you don't believe what you're saying regarding moral equality, but it's baffling that you'd even put the two sides on "equal" moral footing. Even that, to me, is so unreasonable that it's indirectly showing support for Hamas, but whatever....
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Serious question for you. Do you realize how frequently you move the goalposts in order to try to keep your losing arguments alive? I assume you do and you're just doing your normal trolling schtick, but in a demented way, it really is impressive how you're able to be so comfortable with your internal inconsistencies. You're either a really good troll or you're a pathological dissembler, and while I think it's the former, it would be good to rule out the latter. Thanks in advance.
 
ZenMode said:
Obviously, I have no way to prove that you don't believe what you're saying regarding moral equality, but it's baffling that you'd even put the two sides on "equal" moral footing. Even that, to me, is so unreasonable that it's indirectly showing support for Hamas because you don't want to directly show support for Hamas, but whatever....
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lol wow, ok, so the math method didn’t work. There’s no way stick figures or colors will work. I’ll try one last method. Sports.
state and dook both suck. When I bash dook, it doesn’t mean I like state. It still means I dislike both.
If you still can’t comprehend, then I give up. You’re too far gone in the Israeli propaganda machine.
 
RaiGuy said:
lol wow, ok, so the math method didn’t work. There’s no way stick figures or colors will work. I’ll try one last method. Sports.
state and dook both suck. When I bash dook, it doesn’t mean I like state. It still means I dislike both.
If you still can’t comprehend, then I give up. You’re too far gone in the Israeli propaganda machine.
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Wait. Are you saying that Duke and NC State are morally identical? Like no difference between them? I mean, I guess that is theoretically possible but I don't really believe it. The idea that you can find not even a slight moral difference between State and Duke, when Duke is so obviously inferior, suggests that you really like Duke more.
 
RaiGuy said:
lol wow, ok, so the math method didn’t work. There’s no way stick figures or colors will work. I’ll try one last method. Sports.
state and dook both suck. When I bash dook, it doesn’t mean I like state. It still means I dislike both.
If you still can’t comprehend, then I give up. You’re too far gone in the Israeli propaganda machine.
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The math itself, 0=0, isn't the issue or confusing. What's confusing is that you can look at Israel and Hamas, when measuring morality and ethics, and find equality. When there's war or some kind of armed conflict....

  • There are cultures who use human shields and groups who are deterred, to varying degrees, by human shields. There are cultures will strategically place their women and children in harms way knowing that the other side will be reluctant to shoot back for fes of killing innocent non-combatants. Conversely, there are cultures who put legitimate effort into warning non-combatants, to give them time to evacuate, as was the case with the recent hospital bombing.
  • There are cultures who will fire rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques. On the other side, there are cultures that will be slowed/deterred by those who fired rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques.
  • There are cultures that take hostages and parade them through the streets in front of cheering crowds, allowing those hostages to be assaulted, raped or even killed. On the other side are those who find that behavior to be abhorrent.
Basically , there are cultures that literally revel in war crimes and there are cultures that have established what it means to commit war crimes and will punish their fighters for committing them.

Somehow, you equate those two sides and that is where my confusion lies.
 
ZenMode said:
The math itself, 0=0, isn't the issue or confusing. What's confusing is that you can look at Israel and Hamas, when measuring morality and ethics, and find equality. When there's war or some kind of armed conflict....

  • There are cultures who use human shields and groups who are deterred, to varying degrees, by human shields. There are cultures will strategically place their women and children in harms way knowing that the other side will be reluctant to shoot back for fes of killing innocent non-combatants. Conversely, there are cultures who put legitimate effort into warning non-combatants, to give them time to evacuate, as was the case with the recent hospital bombing.
  • There are cultures who will fire rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques. On the other side, there are cultures that will be slowed/deterred by those who fired rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques.
  • There are cultures that take hostages and parade them through the streets in front of cheering crowds, allowing those hostages to be assaulted, raped or even killed. On the other side are those who find that behavior to be abhorrent.
Basically , there are cultures that literally revel in war crimes and there are cultures that have established what it means to commit war crimes and will punish their fighters for committing them.

Somehow, you equate those two sides and that is where my confusion lies.
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I'm not going to waste my time anymore for someone that refuses to educate himself about what is happening. If I were to list all the atrocities committed systemically by the Israeli army, it would take me all day and it wouldn't change your opinion. Just keep arguing that Israel is moral, while literally 14,000 kids are about to be starved to death by them.
 
ZenMode said:
The math itself, 0=0, isn't the issue or confusing. What's confusing is that you can look at Israel and Hamas, when measuring morality and ethics, and find equality. When there's war or some kind of armed conflict....

  • There are cultures who use human shields and groups who are deterred, to varying degrees, by human shields. There are cultures will strategically place their women and children in harms way knowing that the other side will be reluctant to shoot back for fes of killing innocent non-combatants. Conversely, there are cultures who put legitimate effort into warning non-combatants, to give them time to evacuate, as was the case with the recent hospital bombing.
  • There are cultures who will fire rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques. On the other side, there are cultures that will be slowed/deterred by those who fired rockets from schools and hospitals and mosques.
  • There are cultures that take hostages and parade them through the streets in front of cheering crowds, allowing those hostages to be assaulted, raped or even killed. On the other side are those who find that behavior to be abhorrent.
Basically , there are cultures that literally revel in war crimes and there are cultures that have established what it means to commit war crimes and will punish their fighters for committing them.

Somehow, you equate those two sides and that is where my confusion lies.
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what a weird post. what culture do you think that you're talking about?

hamas is a terrorist organization, not a culture. hope this helps.
 
4thgenheel said:
what a weird post. what culture do you think that you're talking about?

hamas is a terrorist organization, not a culture. hope this helps.
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Culture is a very generalized term.

the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group

Jihadism/terrorism is a culture. If you don't like that word, you're welcome to pick whatever word you'd like to avoid missing the point.
 
ZenMode said:
Jihadism/terrorism is a culture. If you don't like that word, you're welcome to pick whatever word you'd like to avoid missing the point.
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Here we go with the half-baked clash of civilizations BS that has been trotted out since the Iraq War. That along with your continued quoting of Hitchens tells us all we need to know. But you claim you aren’t a Sam Harris head? Right.
 
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