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  • Two staffers at Israel’s embassy in Washington, D.C., were shot dead outside the Capital Jewish Museum on Wednesday night.
  • Social media footage showed the suspect shouting “Free, free Palestine” while he was led away. Police identified him as Elias Rodriguez, in his early 30s and from Chicago, and said he "implied" that he committed the crime.
  • The victims were identified by the Israeli government as Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgrim.
  • The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he was outraged by the “horrifying antisemitic murder.”
  • The FBI is investigating whether the shooting could be hate-motivated. U.S. and Israeli officials have condemned the attack as antisemitic.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
  • Two staffers at Israel’s embassy in Washington, D.C., were shot dead outside the Capital Jewish Museum on Wednesday night.
  • Social media footage showed the suspect shouting “Free, free Palestine” while he was led away. Police identified him as Elias Rodriguez, in his early 30s and from Chicago, and said he "implied" that he committed the crime.
  • The victims were identified by the Israeli government as Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgrim.
  • The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he was outraged by the “horrifying antisemitic murder.”
  • The FBI is investigating whether the shooting could be hate-motivated. U.S. and Israeli officials have condemned the attack as antisemitic.
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"The FBI is investigating whether the shooting could be hate-motivated."

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It's already coming to light that Rodriguez was an active member of the Party for Socialism & Liberation and the People's Congress of Resistance and serial agitator at numerous Free Palestine protests.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Oh look, that IDF strike on the “hospital” that Rai showed us a few days ago ended up taking out Hamas’s leadership. We’ve been told that these bunkers and tunnels don’t exist and that they are all conspiracies. I guess maybe he was just there getting a physical.

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So, the people who once cured Sinwar of brain cancer may actually be carefully targeting terrorist leaders and not civilians and maybe it's the terrorists who are the lying, evil POSs? 🤔
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Oh look, that IDF strike on the “hospital” that Rai showed us a few days ago ended up taking out Hamas’s leadership. We’ve been told that these bunkers and tunnels don’t exist and that they are all conspiracies. I guess maybe he was just there getting a physical.

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No one honestly questions the existence of the bunker complex. It was there since at least 2014. What's getting lost in the Sinwar news is that Abu Anas was taken out. That's a critical blow to Izz ad-Din al-Qasam.
 
ZenMode said:
So, the people who once cured Sinwar of brain cancer may actually be carefully targeting terrorist leaders and not civilians and maybe it's the terrorists who are the lying, evil POSs?
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If you kill everyone in Gaza, you will also kill all of Hamas in Gaza. That doesn't make it right. And on the flip side, killing all of Hamas in Gaza is not a goal that justifies all the death and starvation and maiming and malnutrition. And trauma.

It's not only the dead or injured. Israel has destroyed an entire generation of Gazan children, most of whom will be psychologically scarred for life.

But good, glad we hit that bunker so that the top leadership is gone and the leaderships' deputies, who do most of the work anyway, will take over. Huge progress. Yay team.

And it's not fucking targeted.
 
ZenMode said:
So, the people who once cured Sinwar of brain cancer may actually be carefully targeting terrorist leaders and not civilians and maybe it's the terrorists who are the lying, evil POSs? 🤔
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Well, he was in prison at the time, which means that Israel didn't violate his human rights by refusing to treat him. I guess that's good. It has nothing at all to do with what is happening now. It is also an incredibly low bar.
 
superrific said:
If you kill everyone in Gaza, you will also kill all of Hamas in Gaza. That doesn't make it right. And on the flip side, killing all of Hamas in Gaza is not a goal that justifies all the death and starvation and maiming and malnutrition. And trauma.

It's not only the dead or injured. Israel has destroyed an entire generation of Gazan children, most of whom will be psychologically scarred for life.

But good, glad we hit that bunker so that the top leadership is gone and the leaderships' deputies, who do most of the work anyway, will take over. Huge progress. Yay team.

And it's not fucking targeted.
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If it wasn’t targeted, how did a bunker busting bomb happen to land precisely inside of a bunker that Hamas’s leadership was using at that very moment? You can’t possibly think we are that stupid.
 
Batt Boy said:
No one honestly questions the existence of the bunker complex. It was there since at least 2014. What's getting lost in the Sinwar news is that Abu Anas was taken out. That's a critical blow to Izz ad-Din al-Qasam.
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One poster here has been questioning the existence of the bunker complexes. He has some backup. He’s noticeably ignored the latest developments.
 
superrific said:
If you kill everyone in Gaza, you will also kill all of Hamas in Gaza.
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Ok. It has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza, but ok.
superrific said:
That doesn't make it right. And on the flip side, killing all of Hamas in Gaza is not a goal that justifies all the death and starvation and maiming and malnutrition. And trauma.
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With the exception of denying aid, everything that is happening is normal in war. A war that Hamas started. I wonder how the children in Israel, who have been repeatedly driven to underground bunkers to hide from Hamas' missiles over the last 40 years, are impacted. I wonder how the children who watched their parents get murdered on 10/7 were impacted. How about the kids at the concert who watched their friends get mowed down by terrorist gun fire. How do you think they're feeling today?
superrific said:
It's not only the dead or injured. Israel has destroyed an entire generation of Gazan children, most of whom will be psychologically scarred for life.
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Soldiers are often scarred for life because, again, war isn't pretty. Hamas should stop starting wars.
superrific said:
But good, glad we hit that bunker so that the top leadership is gone and the leaderships' deputies, who do most of the work anyway, will take over. Huge progress. Yay team.
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And hopefully IDF kills them, also.
superrific said:
And it's not fucking targeted.
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You can't make false claims true by repeating them. The evidence that Israel is targeting Hamas, while being careful of civilians, is clear.
 
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ZZLPHeels said:
One poster here has been questioning the existence of the bunker complexes. He has some backup. He’s noticeably ignored the latest developments.
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I understand. If you can get past his parroting of al-Maktab al-Siyasi talking points, I have found value in his perspective You just need to understand the frame of his or her experience, then move on. Revealing.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
One poster here has been questioning the existence of the bunker complexes. He has some backup. He’s noticeably ignored the latest developments.
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One poster is emotionally invested in what is happening in Gaza, which anyone can understand. That poster is getting bad information and is too close to the events to be objective.
 
ZenMode said:
Ok. It has nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza, but ok.

With the exception of denying aid, everything that is happening is normal in war. A war that Hamas started. I wonder how the children in Israel, who have been repeatedly driven to underground bunkers to hide from Hamas' missiles over the last 40 years, are impacted. I wonder how the children who watched their parents get murdered on 10/7 were impacted. How about the kids at the concert who watched their friends get mowed down by terrorist gun fire. How do you think they're feeling today?

Soldiers are often scarred for life because, again, war isn't pretty. Hamas should stop starting wars.

And hopefully IDF kills them, also.


You can't make false claims true by repeating them. The evidence that Israel is targeting Hamas, while being careful of civilians, is clear.
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GFY with your both siding bullshit. And learn the meaning of words like "evidence," "clear," "targeting" and "careful" because you've misused every single one. But what do I know?

Not going to argue this. As usual, you have no clue but you think you're fucking God's gift. Just another Cliff Clavin wannabe.
 
Batt Boy said:
I understand. If you can get past his parroting of al-Maktab al-Siyasi talking points, I have found value in his perspective You just need to understand the frame of his or her experience, then move on. Revealing.
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Just because you name drop like this doesn't actually mean you know what's going on.
 
superrific said:
GFY with your both siding bullshit. And learn the meaning of words like "evidence," "clear," "targeting" and "careful" because you've misused every single one. But what do I know?

Not going to argue this. As usual, you have no clue but you think you're fucking God's gift. Just another Cliff Clavin wannabe.
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You tell me what evidence you have that Israel is unconcerned about civilian casualties and I'll provide mine that's shows why I think they are. Deal?

From what I've seen, your evidence is (summarizing) "well, civilians are dead so Israel must be targeting them".
 
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ZZLPHeels said:
If it wasn’t targeted, how did a bunker busting bomb happen to land precisely inside of a bunker that Hamas’s leadership was using at that very moment? You can’t possibly think we are that stupid.
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Sigh. You're smarter than this. Let's think about things for a minute:

1. If you drop bombs everywhere, you will kill some bad guys. Duh. Jackie Manuel didn't shoot 0% from 3. He was in the 20s, IIRC. You could still make a highlight reel of him hitting threes, though.

In other words, the measure of "targeting" is not whether you hit a target. It's how often you miss. Does that make sense? Just think about it like Caleb Love and Cam Johnson. One of them makes 8 figures per year playing pro ball; the other is unlikely to get more than a cup of coffee in the league. It's not because Cam made more shots; it's because he missed so many fewer.

2. It is simultaneously possible that Israel is sometimes being careful and sometimes not. I would imagine that they are more careful with their bunker busters, as they are more expensive and in limited supply. Each one of those costs like $4-5M according to Google. Palestinian lives essentially have zero value to Israel, which might be why they are so indiscriminate with all other forms of violence -- the snipers, conventional bombs, artillery, etc. The bunker busters, on the other hand:

3. It's also possible that the orders from up high are to target and be careful, with a different reality on the ground. When the first videos of Israeli solders shooting kids point blank or killing aid convoys for fun came out, maybe you could attribute that to overeager soldiers. But Israel has not meaningfully disciplined anyone for these crimes (save possibly the attack on that one aid convoy), which is basically the same as commissioning them.
 
ZenMode said:
You tell me what evidence you have that Israel is unconcerned about civilian casualties and I'll provide mine that's shows why I think they are. Deal?
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LOL. We've been doing that for months. This is what you do. You ignore what people write, and then you claim that they have no evidence, and then you ask them to present that evidence again and again and it never changes anything. No thanks.

You lose the vast majority of argument on this board, most of them in a humiliating fashion. That's in part because you take fights you can't possibly win, and of course you get smacked down by people who know things. And yet you keep going, I guess just to annoy people. You remind me of this:

 
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