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This was in the West Bank. No Hamas excuse to use here and it was during a peaceful protest.

 
2ManyBlueCups said:
While the JPost is also confirming that she was shot by the IDF, the source you chose is a propaganda bot.
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I only posted the relevant story, you didn't see me post anything else. Also, why aren't you commenting about the actual incident? They basically executed an American citizen in the West Bank and silence from you about it. That tells me all I need to know.
 
RaiGuy said:
I only posted the relevant story, you didn't see me post anything else. Also, why aren't you commenting about the actual incident? They basically executed an American citizen in the West Bank and silence from you about it. That tells me all I need to know.
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I'm referring to the X account linked. As far as the actual incident is concerned, I don't see anything showing she was "executed". There's essentially no information right now about what happened, other than the fact that she was shot in the head by an IDF sniper while at a protest. I believe that is wrong. Was it intentional? Was it accidental? Was it a "fog of war" situation where they shot at someone else and she took the bullet, or was she directly targeted? Either way it shouldn't have happened.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I'm referring to the X account linked. As far as the actual incident is concerned, I don't see anything showing she was "executed". There's essentially no information right now about what happened, other than the fact that she was shot in the head by an IDF sniper while at a protest. I believe that is wrong. Was it intentional? Was it accidental? Was it a "fog of war" situation where they shot at someone else and she took the bullet, or was she directly targeted? Either way it shouldn't have happened.
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"Fog of war"? What war? This happened in the West Bank. It was a peaceful protest. Israel does this all the time, but you ignore it. Over 20 years ago they literally ran over an American citizen, Rachel Corrie, with a bulldozer. She was standing in front of it protesting a home demolition. They clearly saw her as the bulldozer was not moving and then they purposefully ran her over. This was no accident. If it happens once, one might say it's an accident. But this happens all the time.
 
RaiGuy said:
"Fog of war"? What war? This happened in the West Bank. It was a peaceful protest. Israel does this all the time, but you ignore it. Over 20 years ago they literally ran over an American citizen, Rachel Corrie, with a bulldozer. She was standing in front of it protesting a home demolition. They clearly saw her as the bulldozer was not moving and then they purposefully ran her over. This was no accident. If it happens once, one might say it's an accident. But this happens all the time.
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With all due respect, I don't think that twice in 20 years qualifies as "all the time". And Israel had just completed a significant military operation in the West Bank. But I agree with you, I have serious questions about this incident.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
With all due respect, I don't think that twice in 20 years qualifies as "all the time". And Israel had just completed a significant military operation in the West Bank. But I agree with you, I have serious questions about this incident.
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It's not once every 20 years. I was pointing out that it happened 20 years ago to another American protestor and nothing changed. My friend's husband, a white American, is in Ramallah now and he was filming a video for Instagram when suddenly Israeli soldiers started shooting at them and he and his group were informing them that they were American (and of course, the soldiers didn't care).

As for Palestinians, incidents like this happen all the time. Like I said before, over 200 Palestinians were killed (including a few that were American citizens) pre-Oct 7th last year from incidents like this, but it was mostly ignored by western media or was a foot note in the news. Now, imagine if it was Hamas that killed 200 Israelis and some of them were American. Do you think it would be ignored?
 
RaiGuy said:
It's not once every 20 years. I was pointing out that it happened 20 years ago to another American protestor and nothing changed. My friend's husband, a white American, is in Ramallah now and he was filming a video for Instagram when suddenly Israeli soldiers started shooting at them and he and his group were informing them that they were American (and of course, the soldiers didn't care).

As for Palestinians, incidents like this happen all the time. Like I said before, over 200 Palestinians were killed (including a few that were American citizens) pre-Oct 7th last year from incidents like this, but it was mostly ignored by western media or was a foot note in the news. Now, imagine if it was Hamas that killed 200 Israelis and some of them were American. Do you think it would be ignored?
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Maybe the deaths prior to 10/7 had something to do with tens of thousands of missiles being fired at Israeli citizens?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
From Gaza and the West Bank-

www.fdd.org

West Bank Rocket Fire Seeks to Open New Front Against Israel

Palestinian terrorists operating near Jenin in the northern West Bank launched a rocket at Israel on September 10, the seventh attempted rocket attack from the area since June. Given that Palestinians...
www.fdd.org www.fdd.org
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You conveniently leave out a lot of what happened. These links can help you:

reliefweb.int

For Palestinians in the West Bank, 2023 was the deadliest year on record - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Health, Protection and Human Rights and more; published on 15 Dec 2023 by MSF
reliefweb.int reliefweb.int

www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org

Countdown to genocide: the year before October 7 - JVP

Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians has always been Israeli policy. Here, we present a brief history of the past year.
www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org
 
RaiGuy said:
You conveniently leave out a lot of what happened. These links can help you:

reliefweb.int

For Palestinians in the West Bank, 2023 was the deadliest year on record - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Health, Protection and Human Rights and more; published on 15 Dec 2023 by MSF
reliefweb.int reliefweb.int

www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org

Countdown to genocide: the year before October 7 - JVP

Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians has always been Israeli policy. Here, we present a brief history of the past year.
www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org
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You have also conveniently left out a lot of what happened.

According to data from the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), 128 significant terrorist attacks (i.e., acts of violence that result in Israeli casualties) have been carried out in (or in some cases from) the West Bank since October 7—101 in the northern part of the territory and 27 in the southern part. The vast majority of these were shootings (112), followed by stabbings (6), vehicular attacks (4), explosions (4), and rocket fire (2).
www.washingtoninstitute.org

Why a West Bank Front Has Not Opened So Far

The older generation remains skeptical of what an intifada might achieve, but Israeli crackdowns and worsening economic conditions could still ignite younger Palestinians and undermine PA security cooperation.
www.washingtoninstitute.org www.washingtoninstitute.org
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
You have also conveniently left out a lot of what happened.

According to data from the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet), 128 significant terrorist attacks (i.e., acts of violence that result in Israeli casualties) have been carried out in (or in some cases from) the West Bank since October 7—101 in the northern part of the territory and 27 in the southern part. The vast majority of these were shootings (112), followed by stabbings (6), vehicular attacks (4), explosions (4), and rocket fire (2).
www.washingtoninstitute.org

Why a West Bank Front Has Not Opened So Far

The older generation remains skeptical of what an intifada might achieve, but Israeli crackdowns and worsening economic conditions could still ignite younger Palestinians and undermine PA security cooperation.
www.washingtoninstitute.org www.washingtoninstitute.org
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huh? we were talking about pre-Oct 7th. Did you even read the article? Also, the last two articles you have posted have been from "biased" authors. Seems hypocritical of you to doubt my story because it was first reported by a "biased" reporter, yet, you proceed to post 2 links from biased reporters.

Your username is making more and more sense with every post lol
 
RaiGuy said:
huh? we were talking about pre-Oct 7th. Did you even read the article? Also, the last two articles you have posted have been from "biased" authors. Seems hypocritical of you to doubt my story because it was first reported by a "biased" reporter, yet, you proceed to post 2 links from biased reporters.

Your username is making more and more sense with every post lol
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In the West Bank, the trend of violent attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians, as well as attacks by Palestinian militants against Israelis, had already increased in the first nine months of the year to record levels, and spiked sharply after October 7.

The West Bank was already an emerging hotbed prior to 10/7. You may try to frame the violence as one-sided, but even the state department recognizes that it wasn't.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
In the West Bank, the trend of violent attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians, as well as attacks by Palestinian militants against Israelis, had already increased in the first nine months of the year to record levels, and spiked sharply after October 7.

The West Bank was already an emerging hotbed prior to 10/7. You may try to frame the violence as one-sided, but even the state department recognizes that it wasn't.
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You're leaving out what is causing it. It wasn't random. Israeli settlers were allowed to attack Palestinians, and the IDF watched silently and in some cases aided the settlers.
It wasn't random. Bezalel Smotrich, one of the top Israeli government officials, called for the village of Huwara (in the West Bank) to be wiped out. You always focus on the rhetoric from Hamas, but ignore when it comes from a government official of the self-proclaimed "only democracy in the Middle East"

What's your defense for that? That is genocidal rhetoric from an Israeli government official, and it is not an isolated incident.
 
RaiGuy said:
You're leaving out what is causing it. It wasn't random. Israeli settlers were allowed to attack Palestinians, and the IDF watched silently and in some cases aided the settlers.
It wasn't random. Bezalel Smotrich, one of the top Israeli government officials, called for the village of Huwara (in the West Bank) to be wiped out. You always focus on the rhetoric from Hamas, but ignore when it comes from a government official of the self-proclaimed "only democracy in the Middle East"

What's your defense for that? That is genocidal rhetoric from an Israeli government official, and it is not an isolated incident.
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Israeli settlers attacked Palestinians. Palestinian terror groups in the West Bank attacked Israeli civilians. The IDF responded against Palestinian terror groups. However, you attempted to frame the issue as the IDF simply bombing the West Bank for no reason. That's not even close to being the case.

Smotrich is an idiot but he is not the same as Sinwar. He is a fringe politician and has been condemned by many Israelis. His positions do not represent the positions of the Israeli government. Hamas, however, as a policy has stated that they want to kill every last Jew and as many Palestinian civilians as possible, and they have acted numerous times on these desires.
 
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