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Paine said:
So much for hoping Sinwar’s death would reignite cease fire talks.

I never had hope for it since Bibi’s regime has made it clear they’re going to continue their campaign of death and destruction as long as the U.S. lets them.

Violating international law by blocking humanitarian aid? Ok Israel, you’ve got 30 days, then we’ll really slap you on the wrist.
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1. I never understood the "Hamas leader dies; thus Hamas will now surrender" idea. Like, maybe that works in some places (though, aside from Hans Landa's valiant effort to end WWII, which was compelling but perhaps a tad unrealistic), but is there any evidence at all to think Hamas would react that way? I guess there's nothing wrong with hope -- there's an impasse; eliminating the leader at least changes something, and maybe it would be for the better. It's plausible, but I never thought it remotely likely.

2. It takes two to tango and obviously Bibi has no intention of seeking peace. Never has.

3. The problem with your last sentence is that the US and Israel really are close allies -- particularly in intelligence. So putting distance between the two countries is difficult for reasons that go beyond Zionist politics in the US. We would have to rebuild a lot of our intelligence service, and I don't think we have the capability to do that as a nation right now. Obviously I don't speak from experience here, but this is what I've read and it makes sense. There was certainly collaboration on stuxnet and that can't be the extent of it.
 
Purported leaked US intelligence docs appear to show Israel's plans for attack on Iran
If the posts prove authentic, it would signify a major intelligence breach.

Documents purported to show classified U.S. intelligence gathering on Israel's preparations for a potential retaliatory strike on Iran appeared on social media platforms this week. It is unclear what impact the potential leak may have on any Israeli military planning for a possible strike on Iran, or Israeli-American relations.

U.S. officials declined to provide comment when contacted by ABC News about the possible leak of highly-sensitive material.

ABC News could not independently verify the authenticity of the documents, which appear to show specific details about the types and number of munitions that Israel may be readying for a potentially large-scale strike on Iran in retaliation for the regime's late September barrage of almost 200 ballistic missiles aimed at Israel.

The documents posted on social media have markings that would indicate that they originated from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the U.S. agency that collects, analyzes and distributes intelligence gleaned from satellite and aerial imagery. ABC News is not quoting directly from or showing the documents.

Analysis of overhead satellite imagery is just one of multiple intelligence collection tools that the U.S. intelligence community uses to make strategic assessments or risk evaluations.

"We are looking into these reports," a senior U.S. defense official told ABC News when asked about the purported intelligence documents.

The Department of Defense, Federal Bureau of Investigation and a spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all declined to provide any comment when contacted by ABC News.

If the posts prove authentic, it would signify a major intelligence breach, one reminiscent of the massive leak discovered last year after hundreds of classified documents were shared on the Discord social media platform.

Earlier this year U.S. Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira pleaded guilty to six counts of willful retention and transmission of national defense information relating to the Discord leaks.

Axios first reported on the leaked documents.

"If it is true that Israel tactical plans to respond to Iran's attack on October 1st have been leaked, it is a serious breach," said Mick Mulroy, an ABC News national security and defense contributor, who served as the deputy assistant secretary of defense for the Middle East.

"Everyone that has access to this information has an obligation to keep it secure," said Mulroy. "The men and women of the IDF that would carry out this mission could be compromised because of this, the future coordination between the U.S. and Israel could be challenged as well."

"Trust is a key component in the relationship and depending on how this was leaked that trust could be eroded," he added.
 
Crazy how the focus is on the trauma to the Israeli soldiers running over people with their tanks rather than the people getting run over or the people witnessing it



Instead of focusing on the real victims

 
RaiGuy said:
Crazy how the focus is on the trauma to the Israeli soldiers running over people with their tanks rather than the people getting run over or the people witnessing it



Instead of focusing on the real victims

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The absolute truth is that both situations are horrible. The (American) veterans I’ve spoken with have severe and lasting mental issues due to their experiences in combat, as do the victims that are living in the combat zone. War is a cancer to the human spirit.
 
RaiGuy said:
bbc.com

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN

A UN agency verified victims from a six-month period and said it found international law violations.
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It looks more like any of the Hamas members killed were the “collateral damage”
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The UN said Palestinian armed groups have waged war from densely-populated areas and indiscriminately used projectiles, likely contributing to the death toll, while the IDF has destroyed civilian infrastructure and "left many of those alive, injured, displaced and starving, without access to adequate water, food or healthcare".
As I have said numerous times, the Palestinian civilians are caught in the crossfire between a terrorist government that at its best does not care about them and at its worst actively seeks to get them killed, and an IDF that doesn't really give a damn what happens. Feel terrible for them.
 
RaiGuy said:
Why does that matter? You want to equate a state army with a terrorist group?
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Your refusal to answer is telling. A terrorist organization can't attack a state or any other entity and then hide amongst the civilian population just to cry, "you can't attack us cause we aren't a state." Al-Asqa flood was a disaster. Terrible for the Gazan people. Terrible for Iran. Terrible for Hamas. One of the top Islamic scholars in Gaza agrees. Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa against October attack
 
Batt Boy said:
Your refusal to answer is telling. A terrorist organization can't attack a state or any other entity and then hide amongst the civilian population just to cry, "you can't attack us cause we aren't a state." Al-Asqa flood was a disaster. Terrible for the Gazan people. Terrible for Iran. Terrible for Hamas. One of the top Islamic scholars in Gaza agrees. Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa against October attack
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Telling of what? I didn’t answer because I don’t see anywhere that Israel published the demographics.
So you approve of Israel demolishing blocks at a time to target a suspected Hamas member? That is very “telling”. I like how you also make it seem like this started on Oct 7.
 
RaiGuy said:
Telling of what? I didn’t answer because I don’t see anywhere that Israel published the demographics.
So you approve of Israel demolishing blocks at a time to target a suspected Hamas member? That is very “telling”. I like how you also make it seem like this started on Oct 7.
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I've done neither. I am well versed on the struggle and have never suggested it started Oct 7. That's the narrative you run with whenever confronted with facts contradictory, I understand that. The entire thing has been a tragedy, but to cry about the % of civilian casualties on one side only and deflect and ignore the other is telling.
 
Batt Boy said:
I've done neither. I am well versed on the struggle and have never suggested it started Oct 7. That's the narrative you run with whenever confronted with facts contradictory, I understand that. The entire thing has been a tragedy, but to cry about the % of civilian casualties on one side only and deflect and ignore the other is telling.
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Are we still doing this? Really?

When was the last time you posted ANYTHING critical of Israel's conflict? The vast, vast, vast majority of your posts -- if not all of them -- are all from Israel's POV; they all whitewash Israeli crimes; and they all are about Hamas' various sins.

And then you complain that RaiGuy posts only stuff about Israeli crimes and you call it "telling" when it's exactly the same thing you do.

I just don't understand why it can't be true that a) Hamas committed atrocities; is committing them; and will continue to commit them; and b) Israel has committed atrocities, is committing them, and will continue to commit them? And we don't even have to parse out which is worse to come to an agreement, one would think, that what is happening in Gaza is intolerable and both sides are making that happen. And that there will not be peace, ever, with Gaza covered with rubble.
 
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