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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume
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HesNotHere97
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Didn't you say that "Donald Trump will never be POTUS again..?"
Sadly you are pulling against our country to succeed.
Regardless of who is in power why do you want him to fail? You are no better than the MAGA crowd.
You just view the policies from your perspective. Same as they do.
I've seen you do this for over 15 years. Why?
The world didn't end when GWB was POTUS. He fucked it up.. but it didn't end.
It wont now. And your hyperbole entertains you to a point you make posts like you do. Relax.
Find a hobby other than spending 16 hours a day on a message board.
lawtig02
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Oooh! Fun! Who are you? You won't be posting here four years from now when you've been humiliated by the guy you voted for, but enjoy while you have the chance!
superrific
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1. The world came close to ending when GWB was POTUS. We needed a $750B bank bailout and the steady hand of Obama to pull out of that crisis. Imagine if Sarah Palin was president in January 2009. And Palin is a genius compared to Trump.
2. It's not so much wanting him to fail as just expecting it. What he keeps talking about doing will decimate the economy. Have you ever considered this? If Trump raises tariffs on everyone, everyone will raise tariffs on us. And not on them. So in every country, American companies will face a 10-20% price disadvantage. Thus will exporters get killed. Will industry come back to the U.S.? No, it will not, because industry can't just pack up and move on a dime. And nobody is going to invest on the basis of tariffs that are almost certainly going to go away.
3. What you call "success" and what I call success are not the same. Trump being in power has all sorts of effects that he considers features and I consider bugs. Discrimination against LGBTQ people -- which has been on the rise since MAGA and is rising even more now -- is a bad thing. You probably consider it good, but it's bad.
4. Climate change. Since Trump is hell-bent on rolling back all climate progress that we have made over the past 15 years (which isn't all that much), and cajoling the world to do so as well, MAGA poses a long-term existential threat to the habitability of Earth for humans. That's a big factor for me. Like, a couple of years of prosperity (if it does happen, which is doubtful) is not worth the long-term damage it will cause.
Hurricanes are more powerful and bring more rain than they did. We've seen what that can do. Wild fires are more common and more severe than they used to be. We've seen what that can do (and remember the Canadian wildfires that spread haze and air pollution all over the US for a couple of weeks last summer)?
We've making that trade for 30 years: short term prosperity at the cost of long-term sustainability. And the bill is coming due. Both California and Florida have massive insurance crises. It's unclear whether property in those states is even insurable. Meanwhile, FEMA now spends $50B a year or more in response to floods and fires. It's way, way, way up from the 1990s. That is well more than ALL of the "Waste" in government DOGE has identified combined.
5. MAGA has no answer to climate change, so they just ignore it and you will too.
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Both and neither.
superrific
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Yep. It appears the celebrations were too soon. We've gotten this far before. The problem has always been this.
ChileG
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The MAGAs have already marked this as a win for Trump and have moved on.
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Netanyahu delays the ceasefire vote, as far-right cabinet members threaten to quit
“Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said a cabinet meeting that was scheduled to vote Thursday on the peace deal between Israel and Hamas has been delayed, in a blow to hopes that a ceasefireafter 15 months of fighting would take effect Sunday.
Netanyahu said that the meeting will only happen once Hamas pulls back on demands for what he called "last minute concession," adding in a statement that "Hamas reneges on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators."
He said that until the mediators notify Israel that "all elements of the agreement" have been accepted, the cabinet meeting would not proceed. He did not specify what elements of the deal Hamas had reneged on.
But in an interview with Al-Araby TV, a senior Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, said there was no basis to claims by Netanyahu that Hamas was retracting parts of the ceasefire agreement. …”
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lawtig02
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Smotrich and Ben Givr (and Bibi) have been blocking this deal since the Biden Administration proposed this same basic construct in the Spring. Ben Givr seems fine being the heavy in this round so Bibi could make a promise to the Trump team that he almost certainly knew would be kneecapped. And I'm sure Trump will take up Bibi's claims that Hamas is to blame (and Hamas IS to blame for having the hostages in the first place etc., not trying to sanewash Hamas).
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You believe Biden and his people get no credit for this?
tarheelbillie
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Superrific, take Twains’ advice…don’t argue with stupid. "The truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie"
ChileG
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I pray it holds.
ZenMode
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"Sadly you are pulling against our country to succeed."
Nobody wants our country to fail and you're right that we will easily survive the next four years. However, it's safe to say that a vote for Trump, at least for most voters, is a vote against Harris, the Democratic party and often a caricature of the Democratic party. Don't get me wrong, the Democratic party has issues. The fact that Kamala simply could not definitively disavow her past position of supporting sex change operations for incarcerated illegal immigrants is representative of the current issues in the party.
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I’ve been imploring folks to back off feeding the trolls, for months, too; however, everyone has their reasons and this site is many things to many people. I use this space primarily to collect news, updates, and scrutinize my perspective with respect to meaning, etiology/history, prognostications, and analysis of legal machinations and policy.
Feeding trolls mostly gets in the way of my purposes, by mucking up the board with vitriol, circular “logic”, and willful rejection of verifiable facts in the name of disingenuous “asking questions” or “whatabout” or “free thinking” or “different opinion”. It’s all bullshit, and it pisses me off from time to time (ie troll priority #1), so I ignore these folks. If you’ve crushingly lost argument after argument on the preponderance of evidence, yet continue the same manner of posting, you’re a troll, and not worthy of my, nor other posters’ attention, imo. That said, recreationally baiting and poking at trolls is a valid reason to engage here, too, ie a troller of trolls, which I think is self defeating. I don’t like it, but I can fuck off.
There’s also the super approach, which is often utilizing trolls, or suspected trolling, as a prompt to disseminate information super suspects may have a wider audience. I’d still prefer that bullshit gets ignored; however, eg super’s recent expositions of tariffs, in response to several well established contrarians, has taught me something and prompted my own exploration, even if the contrarians won’t. This information would’ve been discussed here with callayeah prompting, but their obstinance to data occasionally offers worthwhile opportunities to reiterate and further explain, for a wider audience.