gtyellowjacket
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Yeah. That was me being polite. I could also say unproven.
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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume
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The UN found substantial evidence that Israelis were the victims of sexual violence (to include rape) on 10/7. Of course, Hamas sympathizers will tell you that nothing bad happened that day.
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The UN found substantial evidence that Israelis were the victims of sexual violence based on evidence provided by Israel. My understanding is that they were photos and videos of bodies with legs splayed or clothing removed. That could point to sexual assault or it could point to people waking up early while a masker was occurring or even some posing of the bodies afterwards. They also found some widely reported rape claims, distributed by Israeli propaganda operatives, were unfounded.
I'm sure sexual violence occurred. Let me repeat, I'm sure sexual violence occurred. I think if it was this widespread as was reported, there'd be a whole lot more videos and photos out there. The Palestinians weren't exactly shy about recording body cam footage of their activities that day and I'm sure there were cameras everywhere between cell phones and security cameras but we don't see any of that. Israel released some pretty horrific footage from captured body cams. I suspect if there were rapes, they would have released them too.
I don't think the sexual violence that likely occurred on October 7th holds a candle to what Israel has been doing.
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1. Sexual violence is wrong. It doesn't matter if the Israelis are doing more, or Hamas is doing more. It's the same with killing.
2. I have little doubt that Hamas used sexual violence in a gross, indistinguishable fashion. The basis for my confidence here is that sexual violence is the norm for soldiers in "the enemy's" land. Every conflict I've known anything about have featured mostly substantiated allegations of horrifying rapes. There is no reason to think Hamas soldiers have greater restraint than Burmese, Russian, Serbian, Saudi, Yemeni, Tamil, Contras, Sandinista soldiers.
3. The US used sexual violence at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo during the Iraq war. Again, there is no reason to think Hamas (or the IDF) has been shy about using it.
2. I have little doubt that Hamas used sexual violence in a gross, indistinguishable fashion. The basis for my confidence here is that sexual violence is the norm for soldiers in "the enemy's" land. Every conflict I've known anything about have featured mostly substantiated allegations of horrifying rapes. There is no reason to think Hamas soldiers have greater restraint than Burmese, Russian, Serbian, Saudi, Yemeni, Tamil, Contras, Sandinista soldiers.
3. The US used sexual violence at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo during the Iraq war. Again, there is no reason to think Hamas (or the IDF) has been shy about using it.
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Jesus slept, more like it.
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I'm reminded of one of my favorite jokes.
An old holocaust survivor dies and gets into heaven
God embraces him and welcomes him. Slightly overwhelmed, the man tries to break the ice. "Hey God, I've heard this really funny joke on earth. Do you want to hear it?"
God smiles serenly and answers: "Yes, my son, please tell it to me."
The jew grins and says: "How do you get the number of a girl in Auschwitz? You look on her arm!"
God doesn't laugh, instead, He looks rather shocked. "That's not funny." He says.
The survivor shrugs.
"Eh, I guess you had to be there."
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“… After the ceasefire ended, far-right Israeli politician Itamar Ben Gvir said he would rejoin the government. …”
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I just got a text from a friend saying that his 9 month old cousin, the baby's mom, uncles and their kids were all killed in the latest bombings.
How messed up is it to bomb starving people during their holiest month of the year. Imagine the outrage if this happened to people during Christmas or Hanukkah.
F*** Netanyahu, Trump, and the Israeli terrorist government
How messed up is it to bomb starving people during their holiest month of the year. Imagine the outrage if this happened to people during Christmas or Hanukkah.
F*** Netanyahu, Trump, and the Israeli terrorist government
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I’m afraid it is the beginning of things getting much worse in Gaza. Ben Gvir rejoining the government is a terrible sign of things to come.
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I think I gave you a little ribbing on the old board once for some inartful highlighting, but that was just a joke. We appreciate the highlighting, even if it isn't perfectly square or straight. And if you're on a flight, that's pretty good, turbulence or no.(
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Sorry for sketchy highlighting — in flight turbulence
Rai, so sorry to hear of your friend’s loss. And, your last sentence is spot on. Just another day at the office for the IDF.
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In many ways, 2024 was the worst year of my lifetime. Not necessarily the worst for me, but overall it was a horrible year and I can't remember any as bad. Maybe '08.
And 2025 is shaping up to be worse.
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I know you know this, but reading shit like this makes my blood boil. And a lot of us feel the same way. The truce had been the one mildly bright spot of Trump's reign, so of course they had to destroy it like everything else. As angry as I am at the "uncommitted" people, it doesn't change the fact (obviously) that this ongoing atrocity is just that -- an atrocity that should be punished.
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Just like the old days!