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I said a “group of people”. Not “Palestinians”. The group of people I am referring to are the already radicalized people who support Hamas.

There were a lot of Germans and Japanese who hated the US in 1945. Ten years later we were best friends.
And those are clearly not the people being referred to when a poster says Israel is creating terrorists. If you think any Palestinian alive right now watching their family starve to death who will ever forgive the Israelis, you're out of your freaking mind. And for that, I surely don't blame them...to borrow a phrase
 
And those are clearly not the people being referred to when a poster says Israel is creating terrorists. If you think any Palestinian alive right now watching their family starve to death who will ever forgive the Israelis, you're out of your freaking mind. And for that, I surely don't blame them...to borrow a phrase
They don’t have to forgive anyone. They simply have to recognize that it is not in their best interests to return to the warfare that ended up with them watching their family members starve.

As it stands, Israel has been dealing with terrorist attacks for its entire existence. They will tolerate a one off event every now or then in the future. That’s nothing new for them. They will never tolerate another 10/7.
 
They don’t have to forgive anyone. They simply have to recognize that it is not in their best interests to return to the warfare that ended up with them watching their family members starve.

As it stands, Israel has been dealing with terrorist attacks for its entire existence. They will tolerate a one off event every now or then in the future. That’s nothing new for them. They will never tolerate another 10/7.
You have absolutely no idea how humans think and react, do you? Israel increases the odds of major terrorist actions with every passing day. Even the kindest people can be radicalized by barbaric treatment.
 
Hamas is an Iranian proxy. You think if Hamas got ahold of an Iranian nuke they would hesitate to use it? Not a chance.
Please name a country that has nuclear weapons which has supplied another organization, particularly a terrorist one, with nuclear bombs.
 
You have absolutely no idea how humans think and react, do you? Israel increases the odds of major terrorist actions with every passing day. Even the kindest people can be radicalized by barbaric treatment.

If someone is radicalized but can’t or won’t do anything about it, then that is a moot point. As I said earlier, a lot of Germans and Japanese hated us in 1946. Didn’t matter.
 
Please name a country that has nuclear weapons which has supplied another organization, particularly a terrorist one, with nuclear bombs.
The notion that because something has never happened before it is nothing to worry about in the future has been proven naive countless times. You don’t wait until there is a mushroom cloud over your city to say “I guess we should have done something about that”.
 
Much more ominous for Israel is what they are doing to public opinion here in the US. If the current fuckwits are ever out of power, all bets are off for US support of Israel. Those fuckers will find out what going it alone really looks like at some point.

I’m 36 and cannot think of a single one of my peers who isn’t appalled by what Israel is doing. Almost all of us have young children, so it hits hard. Several of the ones I’m close enough with to have a more in-depth conversation about it with have said US support of Israel is one of their top issues right now and would love to vote for a candidate who at a minimum would curtail military aid.

And although none of these people are MAGA republicans, I wouldn’t categorize them as far left. Most of us voted for McCain and Romney.
 
None of this bullshit is a justification for intentional starvation and genocide.
What’s crazy is that the same people that justify a genocide with the excuse of October 7th
I’m glad he’s taking time from barely staying alive to Tweet.
what’s your point? Are you claiming they’re faking? He’s a journalist and is getting the story out. It doesn’t take much much energy to post a few sentences. What else is he supposed to do? It shows your true colors that you question the tweet rather than condemning Israel for starving an entire population.
 
what’s your point? Are you claiming they’re faking?

I question any/all social media posts. Especially those that don't appear to make sense.
He’s a journalist and is getting the story out. It doesn’t take much much energy to post a few sentences. What else is he supposed to do? It shows your true colors that you question the tweet rather than condemning Israel for starving an entire population.
There is no "rather than". Two things can be true at the same time.

I've already said, multiple times,I don't agree with Israel denying aid.

What you should be condemning is Hamas using aid stations to try to kill Israeli soldiers.
 
The notion that because something has never happened before it is nothing to worry about in the future has been proven naive countless times. You don’t wait until there is a mushroom cloud over your city to say “I guess we should have done something about that”.
This was literally Condi Rice's argument for invading Iraq. If this is your position, omg you are lost.
 
The nukes that Iran has been trying to develop for years now. Hamas would absolutely use it, they have proven they don’t give a damn about Palestinian or Israeli lives.
This is your theory? This is the series of events you are imagining.

1. Iran starts enriching uranium for a nuke more or less after the invasion of Iraq. There might have been some halting efforts before that, but they ramped it up because they realized that it was the only way to guarantee they won't be invaded next.

2. Iran gives up its weapon enrichment program in favor of a diplomatic solution that involved trying to a quasi-peaceful foreign policy.

3. Trump rips up the deal, and Iran starts enriching more. They especially start enriching more when he returns to office.

4. All in all, Iran has spent tens of billions of dollars making a nuke for self-defense. It's taken two decades at least. It's been their primary domestic weapons program.

5. But instead of keeping it, they are going to gift this device -- for which they have paid so much in blood and treasure -- to Hamas, with the expectation that Hamas will use it offensively against Israel.

6. They are going to do this despite the fact that smuggling a nuclear weapon is exceedingly difficult for a number of reasons, and if they get caught, everything they have done will be for naught;

7. They are going to do this even though the use of the bomb by Hamas would be the end of Iran.

8. They are going to do this even though Hamas has no way of deploying it. Nuclear bombs are considerably less effective if detonated at ground level. So it would not be nearly as devastating as people might think, but Iran is going ahead with this plan. Also, Hamas could get caught with the bomb, as it's quite different than giving some dynamite or an AK to barely trained fighters.

9. Hamas will do this even though it risks destroying the holy land for which Hamas is fighting. Not only would the holy grounds be destroyed; the surrounding area will be more or less unlivable.

10. This is going to happen even though the purpose of the Iranian proxies is to create the cheapest, most expendable fighting force possible. That's why they used suicide bombing. It costs almost nothing to put a small bomb in a backpack of some young man who climbs aboard a bus and detonates it. It requires no training. It requires no money. But now, having nurtured these proxies, Iran is going to hand them tens of billions of dollars worth of weaponry.

And this line of reasoning is how you justify genocide? This is why people think you are racist. What you are saying to justify mass starvation is something that makes no sense at all. Small children would scoff at this. Skeletor had more sensible schemes. Maybe you are just this stupid, but more likely, you just do not care (or celebrate) what is happening to people you do not care about at all.
 
You don't believe that anything has ever happened for the first time?
The set of events, behaviors, actions or occurrences that have never happened before is literally infinite. The chances of any of those things happening are literally infinitessimal. You need more than rank speculation to justify it.

When you are doing training as a firefighter, do you prepare for the possibility that a fire elemental monster will emerge from the burning building and rampage through town setting fire to everything in its path? Why not. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't happen eventually.

If we are going to invent hypothetical scenarios, it's far more likely that a terrorist gets a bomb that already exists -- from Russia maybe, or Pakistan or India -- and uses it against the US in retaliation for the support of this genocide.
 
This is your theory? This is the series of events you are imagining.

1. Iran starts enriching uranium for a nuke more or less after the invasion of Iraq. There might have been some halting efforts before that, but they ramped it up because they realized that it was the only way to guarantee they won't be invaded next.

2. Iran gives up its weapon enrichment program in favor of a diplomatic solution that involved trying to a quasi-peaceful foreign policy.

3. Trump rips up the deal, and Iran starts enriching more. They especially start enriching more when he returns to office.

4. All in all, Iran has spent tens of billions of dollars making a nuke for self-defense. It's taken two decades at least. It's been their primary domestic weapons program.

5. But instead of keeping it, they are going to gift this device -- for which they have paid so much in blood and treasure -- to Hamas, with the expectation that Hamas will use it offensively against Israel.

6. They are going to do this despite the fact that smuggling a nuclear weapon is exceedingly difficult for a number of reasons, and if they get caught, everything they have done will be for naught;

7. They are going to do this even though the use of the bomb by Hamas would be the end of Iran.

8. They are going to do this even though Hamas has no way of deploying it. Nuclear bombs are considerably less effective if detonated at ground level. So it would not be nearly as devastating as people might think, but Iran is going ahead with this plan. Also, Hamas could get caught with the bomb, as it's quite different than giving some dynamite or an AK to barely trained fighters.

9. Hamas will do this even though it risks destroying the holy land for which Hamas is fighting. Not only would the holy grounds be destroyed; the surrounding area will be more or less unlivable.

10. This is going to happen even though the purpose of the Iranian proxies is to create the cheapest, most expendable fighting force possible. That's why they used suicide bombing. It costs almost nothing to put a small bomb in a backpack of some young man who climbs aboard a bus and detonates it. It requires no training. It requires no money. But now, having nurtured these proxies, Iran is going to hand them tens of billions of dollars worth of weaponry.

And this line of reasoning is how you justify genocide? This is why people think you are racist. What you are saying to justify mass starvation is something that makes no sense at all. Small children would scoff at this. Skeletor had more sensible schemes. Maybe you are just this stupid, but more likely, you just do not care (or celebrate) what is happening to people you do not care about at all.
Super, your constant resort to ad hominem attacks after you got caught trying to JCD for Hamas makes you a non-credible poster at this point. If you want to apologize, I'll engage with you further. If not, super ignore it will be. Your choice.
 
Super, your constant resort to ad hominem attacks after you got caught trying to JCD for Hamas makes you a non-credible poster at this point. If you want to apologize, I'll engage with you further. If not, super ignore it will be. Your choice.
There's no ad hominem attack. I'm making a logical inference based on your posting. That you deem me "JCDing" for Hamas is both telling and preposterous. But I apologize if you took the attack personally.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if I'm non-credible seeing as how virtually all posters here -- certainly on this thread -- have the same position. YOU are the outlier. It's sort of astonishing that you think you're smarter than everyone else.

It's also telling that you have no response to 1-10.
 
There were a lot of Germans and Japanese who hated the US in 1945. Ten years later we were best friends. Money talks. Most people, when choosing between revenge and destruction or peace and prosperity for their families will choose the latter.
Why do you think they stopped hating the US? Maybe it's because, after the war was over, we stopped brutalizing them and in fact helped them rebuild and became allies with them against a common enemy.

And the US has never been "best friends" with Japan, largely because of US resentment. Which perhaps wasn't crazy for the WWII generation -- but all the "Oh no! Japan is taking over LA and NYC" hysteria from the 80s and 90s absolutely was.
 
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