Israel Hamas War, West Bank | Hamas, Israel agree to stage 1 of peace plan

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superrific said:
Yes. Theirs is informed. Yours is a willful misreading of a treaty you don't understand and a complete ignorance of everything that has happened since. An "opinion" without basis is trash.

There is nothing in the definition of genocide that requires it to be conducted as quickly as it possibly could be. Russia could destroy the globe with nukes in 15 minutes, so I guess that means they can't commit genocide.

And "intent" doesn't mean what you think it does, as every lawyer -- even Ramrouser! -- knows. Intent does not require a confession. Intent is not cloaked by plausible deniability. Intent can be inferred from actions, as well as statements.

I'm not talking about this with you any more. I don't fraternize with arrogant mooks.
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The irony of the most condescending poster calling me arrogant.

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with a) a definition of a word and b) observing the objective events that would show genocide is occuring.

Hamas killed 1100 civilians in around 8 hours. They did that with knives and hand-held guns.

If Israel just matched that rate of civilian death, there would be well over 500,000 dead Palestinians by now.

The onus is on those who claim there's a genocide happening to explain why they believe that, given that the facts show otherwise.
 
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ZenMode said:
The irony of the most condescending poster calling me arrogant.

It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with a) a definition of a word and b) observing the objective events that would show genocide is occuring.

Hamas killed 1100 civilians in around 8 hours. They did that with knives and hand-held guns.

If Israel just matched that rate of civilian death, there would be well over 500,000 dead Palestinians by now.

The onus is on those who claim there's a genocide happening to explain why they believe that, given that the facts show otherwise.
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Here's a pic of Gazans lining up for food at drop off point. Surrounded by destroyed buildings.
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www.nytimes.com

A World of Misery, From 200 Miles Up

Amid warnings of famine in Gaza, a satellite captures an image of hundreds of Palestinians converging on an aid convoy.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Bobfripp said:
Here's a pic of Gazans lining up for food at drop off point. Surrounded by destroyed buildings.
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www.nytimes.com

A World of Misery, From 200 Miles Up

Amid warnings of famine in Gaza, a satellite captures an image of hundreds of Palestinians converging on an aid convoy.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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It's a terrible situation. It would be easier to get aid to the people if Hamas would stop using the aid stations as an opportunity to start gun fights.
 
ZenMode said:
It's a terrible situation. It would be easier to get aid to the people if Hamas would stop using the aid stations as an opportunity to start gun fights.
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Again, those allegations by Israel have been proven to be lies. There have been several articles by even US media that have debunked those lies.
 
Arab and Muslim states including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have for the first time issued a joint call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in the Gaza Strip as part of efforts to end the war in the territory.

The 22-member Arab League, the entire European Union and another 17 countries backed a declaration signed at a United Nations conference co-hosted by Saudi Arabia and France on Tuesday.

Governance, law enforcement and security across all Palestinian territory must lie solely with the Palestinian Authority, with appropriate international support,” the joint document read, adding that “in the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State.”

 
ZenMode said:
They have not been proven lies.
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news.un.org

Gaza: Over 400 Palestinians killed around private aid hubs, UN rights office says

At least 410 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military while trying to fetch from controversial new aid hubs in Gaza – a likely war crime – the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
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altmin said:

Canada plans to recognize Palestinian state in September, Carney says​

Palestinian Authority must commit to reforms for Canada to recognize statehood​

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It seems like a big deal but what does it really mean? I seriously don't know. Does that mean they boycott Israel if Israel keeps apartheiding them? Does it mean that they put embassies in palestine? Are there real repercussions that the United States can't stop if they keep annexing West Bank land?
 
Washington Post published the names of 18,500 children killed in Gaza:


NYT editorial board came out and called the the situation in Gaza a “moral crisis”

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Opinion | Gaza’s Hunger Is a Moral Crisis

Israel and the world can do much more to alleviate the emergency.
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Interesting to see the messaging change so quickly after 2 solid years of staunchly defending Israel’s “right to self defense.”
 
ZenMode said:
They have not been proven lies.
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www.nytimes.com

No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say (Gift Article)

Israel has long restricted aid to Gaza on the argument that Hamas steals it to use as a weapon of control over the population. On Saturday, the Israeli military announced new airdrops of aid.
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abcnews.go.com

USAID analysis finds no evidence of widespread aid diversion by Hamas in Gaza

An analysis compiled by USAID officials says they failed to find evidence that Hamas engaged in widespread diversion of assistance in Gaza, ABC News has learned.
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Israel (and its hired gangs) is the one killing Palestinians at aid sites.
 
nrsair said:
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according to the UN. Funny.
nrsair said:
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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initially said on Sunday that its forces did not fire at civilians “while they were near or within the aid site.” An Israeli military source later acknowledged that troops had fired “warning shots” at suspects about 1 kilometer (1,093 yards) away.

During a press conference on Tuesday, IDF spokesman Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin said the military investigated and found its troops played no role in any mass casualty event. Defrin said: “This week, it was claimed that the IDF fired at civilians in an aid distribution area. This report is entirely false and echoes the propaganda of the terrorist organization Hamas… Regarding the incident on Sunday – it simply didn’t happen!”
nrsair said:
news.un.org

Gaza: Over 400 Palestinians killed around private aid hubs, UN rights office says

At least 410 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military while trying to fetch from controversial new aid hubs in Gaza – a likely war crime – the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
news.un.org news.un.org
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again... the UN?
nrsair said:


news.un.org

Gaza: Over 400 Palestinians killed around private aid hubs, UN rights office says

At least 410 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military while trying to fetch from controversial new aid hubs in Gaza – a likely war crime – the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
news.un.org news.un.org
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The UN is a joke, especially as it relates to Israel.

The CNN article doesn't show anything conclusive. Israel acknowledged firing warning shots 1000km away from an aid station. They acknowledge things they do because they aren't psychopathic, lying terrorists.
 
Regardless of the degree and time course of the current humanitarian crisis the optics from reporters associated with relief efforts have tilted the geopolitical scale, thus backfiring whatever objectives or thoughts Bibi and the Israel government had of occupying or controlling post-war Gaza.

The UK, Canada, France other NATO countries are recognizing Palestine. Bibi has gone from post-Iran strike hero to zero.

It's over for Bibi, Hamas, the current conflict. It's time to step aside.
 
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