Agree. Allowing aid in here and there isn’t going to do much to alleviate the plight of the Palestinians. There needs to be a constant flow of supplies the quantity of which meets the needs of the Palestinians. Just look at the Berlin airlift. The Allies kept up a constant stream of supplies to West Berlin. Such an effort is what is needed in Gaza. Otherwise, a large number of people are going to starve to death. There’s no getting around that.
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Agree. Allowing aid in here and there isn’t going to do much to alleviate the plight of the Palestinians. There needs to be a constant flow of supplies the quantity of which meets the needs of the Palestinians. Just look at the Berlin airlift. The Allies kept up a constant stream of supplies to West Berlin. Such an effort is what is needed in Gaza. Otherwise, a large number of people are going to starve to death. There’s no getting around that.
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Why did the US show restraint in Afghanistan after 9/11? Al-Q was even more dangerous than Hamas; Afghanistan was a base of operations for them, and yet we didn't kill 15% of the population and starve the remainder. Why is that? Were we just pussies? Weak losers?
It is clear from this thread and Breanna Taylor that you either have no moral compass or it is extremely warped. This was a just war for like 6 months. It long ago ceased to be just.
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I don't think you understand how Israeli politics works. Smotrich is very much in control. He walks from the government and the coalition falls. He's like Manchin was for the Senate. Maybe not the formal leader, but nobody can cross him and expect to succeed.
Al Qaeda was not nearly as existential a threat to the United States in 2001 as Hamas has been to Israel. Imagine that, instead of thousands of Al Qaeda fighters being hiding 8,000 miles away from the US in Afghanistan, they were instead clustered in New Jersey. And imagine that these people were launching thousands of rockets into New York City each year. And imagine that one day hundreds of them slipped a few miles across the border, killed over 1,000 civilians in a matter of hours and kidnapped several hundred hostages. It is easier to show "restraint" when your enemy isn't located within walking distance. And yet hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Iraqi civilians still died in the wars that we participated in after 9/11.
One of us works in public service and helps people for a living, and one of us doesn't. I think my moral compass is just fine. It is a bit telling that the suggestion that Hamas should surrender would make someone so upset that they would resort to ad hominem attacks. If you feel that strongly about supporting Hamas's cause, I'm sure they would take you in.
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Hamas is not an existential threat to Israel and they never have been. Stop overstating that. There are MAYBE 4 militaries on earth that have the ability to defeat Israel.
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Israel responds to each one of those "rockets" (which aren't much more than M-14 firecrackers) with F-15 fighter jets.
Israel is and has always been *far more an existentialist threat* to Gaza than the other way around.
Terrorist groups are much harder to defeat than conventional militaries, as the last 25 years have shown. No, Hamas is not going to march in with tanks and take over Tel Aviv, but having an enemy that shares a border with you and that launches missiles at your civilian population centers is not something any other nation would tolerate. When that enemy then decides to kill over 1,000 of your civilians in a matter of hours, then all bets are off. Israel should not be expected to tolerate having its people live in fear every day.
The rockets are much more than simple firecrackers....they are unguided missiles, and the only reason that hundreds of Israelis haven't been killed by them is because Israel has invested in a very strong missile defense system. If you want an example of what these missiles can do when they aren't intercepted, I can remind you of what happened when an errant Palestinian missile struck a hospital in Gaza when it fell short of Israel. According to Hamas, a thousand civilians were killed in that incident. More realistic estimates placed the number at a few dozen, which is still a few dozen more than a firecracker would kill.
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That does not even come close to meeting the terms of the definition of "existential threat."
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None of this bullshit is a justification for intentional starvation and genocide.
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And precisely none of that is a response to bolster your claim that Hamas represents an existential threat to Israel. Explain how, in your estimation, Hamas has ever shown any ability to disrupt the Israeli state to such a point as to imperil its existence.
It's ridiculous hyperbole to say what you've repeatedly said about the Hamas and Israel relationship.
There are millions of Americans right here who live in fear every single day and you aren't justifying mass starvation to minimize their fears.
Hamas is awful. At this point, Israel has far outperformed them on the atrocity scale.
Looking for things that don’t exist, again.
Hamas is an Iranian proxy. You think if Hamas got ahold of an Iranian nuke they would hesitate to use it? Not a chance.
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Much more ominous for Israel is what they are doing to public opinion here in the US. If the current fuckwits are ever out of power, all bets are off for US support of Israel. Those fuckers will find out what going it alone really looks like at some point.
Considering that this current war started because of 10/7, I don’t think Israel gives a shit if an already radicalized group of people are radicalized even further. They want Hamas gone, and I don’t blame them.
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What fucking Iranian nuke? And no, I don't think any nuke is getting used by anyone in the Middle East.
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Yet you're the one saying that you don't think all Palestinians are radicals...then you say they're "already radicalized". Which is it?
The nukes that Iran has been trying to develop for years now. Hamas would absolutely use it, they have proven they don’t give a damn about Palestinian or Israeli lives.
I said a “group of people”. Not “Palestinians”. The group of people I am referring to are the already radicalized people who support Hamas.
There were a lot of Germans and Japanese who hated the US in 1945. Ten years later we were best friends. Money talks. Most people, when choosing between revenge and destruction or peace and prosperity for their families will choose the latter.