Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

[heelslegup]

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-conflict-06-22-25-intl-hnk#cmc7uwwdm00053b6mah05tgd4

US asks Chjna to pressure Iram re not closing Strait of Hprmuz

 

[Mulberry Heel]

So there is no actual evidence that Iran was close to building a bomb. Trump wanted to bomb Iran because it looked easy after Israel destroyed most of their air defenses and he was played by Netanyahu into getting directly involved in a war they started. At least it was successful in the sense that none of our military personnel were killed or injured in the attack, so that god for that.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

But there's a much higher risk that Iran now mines the Straits of Hormuz or China finally invades Taiwan. That's what happens when we think in isolationist or "America First" terms.

Superrific - congrats on your success. My daughter's on the Spectrum. I feel ya.

I don't think the risk of China invading Taiwan is tied to our strike on Iran's nuclear program. I do agree that is a risk of an isolationist foreign policy which is why I am generally not supportive of that philosophy.

 

[Paine]

I think one thing that Trump may have in his favor vs Iraq is that the goal is not stability. It is to destroy the Iranian nuclear capacity.

Bush’s argument was not just WMD’s but also regime change to free the Iraqis from a brutal dictator. If you pretend to be acting in the best interest of a country, you have tied your goals to stability.

Trump may just say to hell with Iranians as long as they don’t develop nukes or continue to threaten US interests.

That isn’t a morally sound goal but something that may be achievable without boots on the ground.

That doesn’t make it better though, it makes it worse. At least the Iraq war pretended to be about democracy. This is an open admission that we’re willing to destroy a nation’s infrastructure purely to maintain our global power advantage. That’s not some perverse moral clarity, it’s just imperialism without euphemism.

Preemptively bombing a sovereign state to prevent them from acquiring a deterrent is not a narrow, tactical objective. It’s a declaration that only certain states are allowed to feel secure. And it all but guarantees the exact escalation we claim to be avoiding.

Again, we’ve seen this logic before: destroy capacity now, deal with blowback later. It’s how we got ISIS after destabilizing Iraq. It’s how we turned Libya into a failed state. Saying “Trump isn’t trying to help Iranians” doesn’t make the strike more honest, it just makes it openly lawless.