Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

I'm less concerned with his ideological positioning. It's foolish to think someone who represents PA - which overwhelmingly voted for Trump in 2024 - would be anything short of a right/left center politician. I also understand his "brand" and desire to be viewed as a political outsider and how that also includes being viewed as an outsider relative to the Democratic Party. My point is that war powers are designated to Congress and that's where they should remain regardless of party. Never in our nation's history has there been a situation where an "emergency" demanded absolute immediate mass military action by the executive. It's folly and an abdication of power and authority.

If anything has been shown the last 12 months it's how vulnerable our government is to power creep and overreach. If the Democratic Party ever takes full command of Congress and the Executive Branch - they must initiate legislation limiting the executive branch's power. And if the Supreme Court opts to "weigh in" - then congress + the executive must engage in court reform. We are currently on a very dangerous path and at some point it won't matter which political party holds popular favor.

I refuse to believe that a great majority of GOP political leaders fail to see this crisis any differently.
 
Zoo_View said:
They’re from Zgharta - way up in Northern Lebanon…….a city that is 98-99% Christian………and they hate and blame Palestinians the most.
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Yes, this is the entire content of Batt Boy's moronic story. Christians dislike Muslims and Jews, but Muslims more.
 
CFordUNC said:
I was up with our newborn when you posted this at 2 AM ET, thought I might have to actually write a post sincerely congratulating Trump for somehow being the POTUS who finally brokered peace in the Middle East, and now at 7 AM it’s apparently no longer true. Wild!
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Be careful with this 2am feedings. I was seconds from buying a Santana sponsored guitar, amp and educational DVD during one of those feedings because at two in the morning, when you're sleep deprived, it seemed like a great idea.
 
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Let’s put Trump aside for a minute. How much of a black eye is this for the military? Our biggest and bestest non-nuclear weapon did not destroy the facility as intended, but rather just busted up the foyer.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Let’s put Trump aside for a minute. How much of a black eye is this for the military? Our biggest and bestest non-nuclear weapon did not destroy the facility as intended, but rather just busted up the foyer.
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It seems that terrorists are really good at building underground cement structures.

I also don't think we know the extent of the damage. Lots of speculation....
 


“… There is no question that Israel achieved notable tactical successes, inflicting serious damage on Iran’s military command and scientific infrastructure.

But strategic objectives carry greater weight. Based on available evidence, Netanyahu’s core goals—undermining Iran’s deterrence and meaningfully rolling back the elements of its nuclear program that pose the greatest proliferation risk—remain unmet.

One of the most significant failures lies in the nuclear file. There is no confirmation that Iran’s nuclear breakout capacity has been meaningfully degraded.

While Trump administration officials have insisted that the strikes set Iran’s program back by years, early U.S. and European intelligence assessments suggest otherwise. Satellite imagery taken prior to the strikes showed trucks potentially removing sensitive equipment from key sites, and Iran had already announced the construction of a new, secret, and hardened enrichment facility that may be untouched. More critically, Iran’s stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium and its advanced centrifuges—the core ingredients for developing a nuclear weapon—appear to remain intact.

As many analysts warned before the war, verifying serious damage to Iran’s nuclear infrastructure is impossible without on-the-ground inspections or a full-scale invasion. In the absence of either, Iran’s nuclear program is entering a far more opaque and unpredictable phase….”
 
superrific said:
I don't think it's a black eye at all. It just means air power has its limits.
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Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
 
Purple Nurple said:
Perhaps not the military. They did do their job flawlessly, but we did not accomplish our objective. We in fact can’t just bomb Iran’s program into nonexistence. Our capabilities are seeeningly greatly exaggerated. I can’t see how that’s not a black eye for our military/intelligence apparatus.
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It's not the intelligence/military community who decided to bomb Iran. That was Bibi, and he snookered Trump into it.

There's a reason why Obama committed to diplomacy and people need to realize that the nuclear weapons program in Iran is a problem of Trump's own making. You're a conservative guy, not hopelessly stupid. You can clearly see what is going on, right? In every aspect of our national life, the country is failing and moving backwards, largely because the entire GOP has not merely committed itself to doing what Trump wants, but committed to Trump defining their reality.
 
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