Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

My understanding is that the diminution of Iranian air defenses makes success highly probable, but that could be military happy talk.

There has been talk of Israel mounting a commando raid on Fordow, but I don't know how realistic that is, especially now that they wouldn't have the element of surprise/
 
RaiGuy said:
Israel doesn't want to risk it's own soldiers' lives, so they are kind enough to volunteer the US to risk our soldiers' lives.
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Of course. If we get directly involved then we're suckers, plain and simple. Not unlike what the South Vietnamese did during the Vietnam War - we did much of the fighting for them while they hung back. And when we finally left for good in 1973 and North Vietnam and the Viet Cong attacked, the South Vietnamese military, now forced to carry the burden of fighting on their own, mostly folded like a house of cards and the war ended rather quickly. And Israel isn't even like South Vietnam as they've shown that they are fully capable of defending themselves and taking out Iranian assets by themselves. And yet they want us to put our people at risk to try and end a war they started.
 
Afghanistan is a more recent example than South Vietnam.

The only thing on the table that we can do that Israelis can't is to bomb Fordow from the air. I mean, we can do additional things that the Israelis can't, but they shouldn't be under consideration.
 
Huh? said:
Prevailing dogma is that the selling nation would be held responsible by the other nuclear powers for the consequences of that sale. It's MAD with a twist.
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I'm not sure what more the West could do to isolate Russia than they already have since their invasion of Ukraine, at least before Trump took office. Short of actually bombing or invading Russia somehow, that is.
 
superrific said:
For one thing, transportation. It's not as if those trade routes carry the big bales of marijuana so useful for nuke smuggling.
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Nuke bombs don't have to be giant - at least that is what Ben Affleck said in The Sum of All Fears .
Huh? said:
Prevailing dogma is that the selling nation would be held responsible by the other nuclear powers for the consequences of that sale. It's MAD with a twist.
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So honestly if we're talking about terrorists doing terrorism things, not much. If the goal is to prevent Iran from being able to nuke manhattan or drive an explosive boat into the US, we aren't fool-proofing this at all.
 
RaiGuy said:
Israel doesn't want to risk it's own soldiers' lives, so they are kind enough to volunteer the US to risk our soldiers' lives.
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There would be essentially no risk to American lives. The Iranians can’t even shoot down Israel’s very non-stealth fighter jets….they aren’t touching a B2.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
There would be essentially no risk to American lives. The Iranians can’t even shoot down Israel’s very non-stealth fighter jets….they aren’t touching a B2.
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Perhaps you are correct, but that still doesn't justify why we would need to get directly involved in this conflict. Israel seems to be doing just fine on their own. And even if the Iranians don't get a lucky hit we could still potentially lose people to a mechanical failure or some other issue.
 
ZenMode said:
Terrorists are very resourceful.
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Actually, most of them aren't. If they were, we'd be in much bigger doodoo than we are.

But more importantly, the problem with that ridiculous meme (aside from being a virtual replica of Iraq War propaganda) is science, not terrorists.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Perhaps you are correct, but that still doesn't justify why we would need to get directly involved in this conflict. Israel seems to be doing just fine on their own. And even if the Iranians don't get a lucky hit we could still potentially lose people to a mechanical failure or some other issue.
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Once we bomb
All bets are off on what happens next
 
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