Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

[MendotoManteo]

If Iran has truly decided to close the Strait of Hormuz, and is serious about enforcing it, this will lead to a call for regime change, no matter what the administration currently states.

And perhaps this was the goal all along? Because they suspected Iran would respond as such.

I don't know, obviously.

But this isn't going to just end here.

As with practically everything Trump does: make a dumb decision, fuck things up, then take it back and claim victory when disaster somehow doesn't occur.

We had an agreement with Iran that he "nuked" during his first administration.

None of this would probably be happening had he not done that.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

It’s not confirmation. It’s credibility.

Disagree. It shows an astounding lack of credibility, actually.

 

[Centerpiece]

This is gonna get ugly isn’t it?

Probably.
Repercussions could be far and wide… With many not felt for months, perhaps years to come.

 

[korgguy1971]

Our main board contrarian seems conspicuously absent from posting today.

Or is he?

 

[RaiGuy]

If Iran has truly decided to close the Strait of Hormuz, and is serious about enforcing it, this will lead to a call for regime change, no matter what the administration currently states.

And perhaps this was the goal all along? Because they suspected Iran would respond as such.

I don't know, obviously.

But this isn't going to just end here.

As with practically everything Trump does: make a dumb decision, fuck things up, then take it back and claim victory when disaster somehow doesn't occur.

We had an agreement with Iran that he "nuked" during his first administration.

None of this would probably be happening had he not done that.

Regime change has been Israel’s goal from the start. It was never about the nuclear capabilities. Just like Gaza was never about the hostages.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Regime change has been Israel’s goal from the start. It was never about the nuclear capabilities. Just like Gaza was never about the hostages.

This is false. It has always been about the nuclear capabilities, which represent an existential threat to Israel's existence. Regime change would just be an added benefit for the Israelis.

 

[lawtig02]

So nice to have Dr. Lynch back in the house. Now we have a definitive answer to EVERYTHING!

 

[MendotoManteo]

Regime change has been Israel’s goal from the start. It was never about the nuclear capabilities. Just like Gaza was never about the hostages.

I try not to be too conspiratorial, despite the appeal it has for us all. But I think there's a more than probable chance that this was the goal for Israel all along.

What I mean is that, while American media has been mostly hush-hush about it (because you can't be "anti-Semitic"), we know for a fact that Israel knew Hamas was plotting the Oct. 7th event. Maybe they didn't know exactly what date, but they knew.

Given the capabilities the IDF and Mossad have demonstrated with taking out Hezbollah and Iranian leadership (I saw the 60 Minutes episode couple weeks ago, where two Israeli IDF figures, who were almost certainly approved by Israeli leadership to appear there, said the Hezbollah beeper and walkie-talkie thing was a 10 year operation), there's no way they did not know Hamas was going to attack.

They allowed it to happen. The people killed in the process and the hostages be damned.

I think they allowed it to happen precisely for this moment.

 

[MendotoManteo]

I think allowing Oct. 7th to happen was always a long-game for annexing Gaza (and the West Bank) and potentially regime change in Iran.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

So nice to have Dr. Lynch back in the house. Now we have a definitive answer to EVERYTHING!

A sign of bad-faith arguing is conspiratorially believing that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow the same poster. That, combined with your intentional misreading or disregarding of articles that other posters have provided to us is your second strike here. Truly a horrible outing for you today, and I expected better. That's my bad.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Russia: Other nations ready to supply Iran with nukes after U.S. strike

In the wake of President Donald Trump's strike on Iran's nuclear sites, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday that "a number of countries" are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear weapons.

www.yahoo.com

"What have the Americans accomplished with their nighttime strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran?" Medvedev questioned in a post on social media. "The enrichment of nuclear material -- and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons -- will continue. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."

 

[superrific]

I simply highlighted what the article said....the article that was posted by someone else. Yet that poster has not received any flack whatsoever for posting the article. Strange, really.

Did that person highlight that part of the article? I wasn't watching this thread 10 pages ago and I don't know who linked what and I don't have time to check. But when you quote an article approvingly, as you did, you are responsible for what you quote, even if it isn't your link.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Did that person highlight that part of the article? I wasn't watching this thread 10 pages ago and I don't know who linked what and I don't have time to check. But when you quote an article approvingly, as you did, you are responsible for what you quote, even if it isn't your link.

The person posted the article without further comment as an attempt to bolster an argument that they had made previously. It turned out that the article actually did the opposite. That was one of my reasons for highlighting that portion of the article, as it directly contradicted the point that the poster had been trying to make when they posted it.

 

[Duke Mu]

I try not to be too conspiratorial, despite the appeal it has for us all. But I think there's a more than probable chance that this was the goal for Israel all along.

What I mean is that, while American media has been mostly hush-hush about it (because you can't be "anti-Semitic"), we know for a fact that Israel knew Hamas was plotting the Oct. 7th event. Maybe they didn't know exactly what date, but they knew.

Given the capabilities the IDF and Mossad have demonstrated with taking out Hezbollah and Iranian leadership (I saw the 60 Minutes episode couple weeks ago, where two Israeli IDF figures, who were almost certainly approved by Israeli leadership to appear there, said the Hezbollah beeper and walkie-talkie thing was a 10 year operation), there's no way they did not know Hamas was going to attack.

They allowed it to happen. The people killed in the process and the hostages be damned.

I think they allowed it to happen precisely for this moment.

Bibi sat on the intelligence for months that a terrorist attack by Hamas was imminent. Deliberately.

 

[Duke Mu]

The person posted the article without further comment as an attempt to bolster an argument that they had made previously. It turned out that the article actually did the opposite. That was one of my reasons for highlighting that portion of the article, as it directly contradicted the point that the poster had been trying to make when they posted it.

Actually, it didn't if you had looked up and read the links.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Actually, it didn't if you had looked up and read the links.

The article itself absolutely contradicted them. The links buried within the article may or may not have, but I didn't read all of them. If the links were in contradiction to the article that was citing them, that's a problem with the author of that article.

 

[MendotoManteo]

Bibi sat on the intelligence for months that a terrorist attack by Hamas was imminent. Deliberately.

He certainly did. I defer to Occam's Razor in most cases. Could be he was just wanting a distraction from all his crimes and prosecution. So he could defer it. But given what we know now about all their other operations (including somehow having a drone base in Iran?), the mind wonders.

Regarding Hamas and Oct. 7th, I don't know what they were hoping to accomplish, strategically. I get it as a mere reaction, like a wild, caged animal lashing out. Being a Palestinian is obviously a very difficult thing. I'm not defending Hamas. They're assholes. But I get the sense of wanting to finally "break out." But they're not dumb. They surely knew that wouldn't happen. I suspect that, knowing Israel would respond as it has (by which I mean, bombing the shit out of everything and committing a genocide), they were gambling that the world would turn against Israel. Provided there was any actual strategy involved in the decision. Europe largely has but America has not. If America doesn't turn against Israel, then it doesn't matter.

Hamas gambled and lost.

 

[stankeylegjones]

We had no idea until testing whether the chain reaction could or would be contained. We had an hypothesis.

Theoretically we knew it, before the 1940s. What you're talking about is what I referred to as "engineering." And, we didn't want it to be contained.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Well, it's not an important point but I suspect that our greater knowledge of nuclear forces eases the engineering challenges. The neutron was discovered in 1932 and I don't think we can meaningfully talk about nuclear physics before that date. So that puts the field at age 10 in 1942. It is now 90+ years old. I think that counts as infancy, but more importantly it doesn't matter.

The point is, as you say, that the physics is not terribly complicated, and the engineering problems have mostly been solved. It's just a question of running the centrifuges.

I completely agree with your last paragraph. Regarding "nuclear physics" perhaps I should have been more precise and prefaced everything with that I'm talking about theoretical aspects - more education was in theoretical physics, not experimental physics - of which I have only some knowledge. The neutron was predicted well before it was observed in experiment. We had a very solid understanding of the physics well before the 1940s.

 

[lawtig02]

HahaA sign of bad-faith arguing is conspiratorially believing that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow the same poster. That, combined with your intentional misreading or disregarding of articles that other posters have provided to us is your second strike here. Truly a horrible outing for you today, and I expected better. That's my bad.

Hit dog hollers. Nothing wrong with you posting here, Dr. Lynch. Just good for everyone to know who they’re dealing with.