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Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

Healing said:
At what point does Russia get further pulled in? Iran is the supplier of Shahed drones and surface to air missiles. I have no doubt Putin wants to “mediate” in order to keep the Iranian military support flowing.
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Russia is paying N. Koreans to fight in their military because they can't defeat Ukraine.

I don't think they're going to get involved.
 
Our country's recent history in this region is that we overestimate others' military capability, we overestimate the probability of regime change and, when regime change does occur, we overrate our ability to forecast the consequences of regime change.

I'm skeptical that any American has a solid grasp of what is going to happen next.
 


[Polish right wingers so … let’s see]
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I wonder how many people are having "end of times" thoughts based on current events.

I like to check in with Paul Begley once in awhile....for entertainment purposes. I have to imagine he's having a heyday right now.

"Are you serious?'
 
Huh? said:
Our country's recent history in this region is that we overestimate others' military capability, we overestimate the probability of regime change and, when regime change does occur, we overrate our ability to forecast the consequences of regime change.

I'm skeptical that any American has a solid grasp of what is going to happen next.
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America usually assumes people want to choose their leaders and want religious freedom, etc. That area of the world wants neither.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
you mean like the 20 year war in afganistan vs brown people on camels or the vietnam war vs orients with mules donkeys water buff in rice fields

the only thing impressive about our military is how much we spend on it yearly
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We aren't sending ground troops into Iran. The most we would do would be airstrikes and cruise missiles.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
you mean like the 20 year war in afganistan vs brown people on camels or the vietnam war vs orients with mules donkeys water buff in rice fields

the only thing impressive about our military is how much we spend on it yearly
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So wrong. There's much impressive about our military, starting with the folks who serve. As for your colors, only about 7% of the world is not, "brown" as you call it so chances are, conflicts are with them.
 
gregh1 said:
Why are we getting involved at all? Israel did this without our approval. We shouldn't be mettling in that region... since israel doesn't act like an ally aside for the money they give to lockheed-martin and our defense industry.
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Israel did not attack Iran without the Trump administration's consent. What happens in the Middle East affects the USA, its economy, and its interests. Whether or not the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world has a nuclear weapon is an issue that should interest all of us.
 


A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate​

Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight​


🎁—> https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...e?st=hMURwK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… In the midst of a ferocious Israeli air campaign, Tehran has told Arab officials they would be open to returning to the negotiating table as long as the U.S. doesn’t join the attack, the officials said. They also passed messages to Israel saying it is in the interest of both sides to keep the violence contained.

But with Israeli warplanes able to fly freely over the capital and Iranian counterattacks inflicting minimal damage, Israeli leaders have little incentive to halt their assault before doing more to destroy Iran’s nuclear sites and further weaken the theocratic government’s hold on power….”
 
p5mmr9 said:
What happens in the Middle East affects the USA, its economy, and its interests.
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Other than the defense industry, and oil, what are the economic impacts?
Regarding interests, our approach appears one-sided which spawns anti-west and anti-american terrorists. Creating terrorists is not in our interests. Enabling inhumane conditions in Gaza is not in our interest.

The whole thing is a lose-lose quagmire for many people in the region, so why would we embed ourselves into something lose-lose? What's our longterm goal? We can't even keep Israel from steam-rolling settlements, as alluded above, Afghanistan and Vietname have proven that nation-building is wishcasting, we don't have nearly as much control as we think we have.
p5mmr9 said:
Whether or not the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world has a nuclear weapon is an issue that should interest all of us.
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Sanctions > war.
 
nycfan said:


A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate​

Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight​


🎁—> https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...e?st=hMURwK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… In the midst of a ferocious Israeli air campaign, Tehran has told Arab officials they would be open to returning to the negotiating table as long as the U.S. doesn’t join the attack, the officials said. They also passed messages to Israel saying it is in the interest of both sides to keep the violence contained.

But with Israeli warplanes able to fly freely over the capital and Iranian counterattacks inflicting minimal damage, Israeli leaders have little incentive to halt their assault before doing more to destroy Iran’s nuclear sites and further weaken the theocratic government’s hold on power….”
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I want peace. In this situation, though, I'm ok with letting the Iranian people see how their current leadership is incapable of protecting them from existential threats. I will oppose anything that suggests Israel is targeting civilian population centers, etc. But if I were in Trump's shoes, I'd think it's ok letting this play out a little longer to see if we could finally get some movement by the enormous percentage of Iranians who we have been hearing for decades are ready to join the (relatively) free world.
 
nycfan said:


A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate​

Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight​


🎁—> https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...e?st=hMURwK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… In the midst of a ferocious Israeli air campaign, Tehran has told Arab officials they would be open to returning to the negotiating table as long as the U.S. doesn’t join the attack, the officials said. They also passed messages to Israel saying it is in the interest of both sides to keep the violence contained.

But with Israeli warplanes able to fly freely over the capital and Iranian counterattacks inflicting minimal damage, Israeli leaders have little incentive to halt their assault before doing more to destroy Iran’s nuclear sites and further weaken the theocratic government’s hold on power….”
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Iran has been at war with Israel for decades, via its proxies. The time for a cease fire and negotiations has come and gone.

At least I hope that's how the US approaches it.
 
Healing said:
Trump continues to make strides towards that Nobel he’s so fucking thirsty for.
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IMO, the only reason he cares about the Nobel Prize at all (or probably even knows it exists) is because Obama received one, and so he's got to at least match that. It no doubt burns him that a black man won such a globally prestigious award and he doesn't have one.
 
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