Israel launches attack on Iran | US bombs Iran nuke sites

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Healing said:
It’s actually closer to 30 years.

Also, “unconditional surrender”? Were we at war? Who exactly is “surrendering”?
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How it feels to me -

When Israel launched their attack, the US was quickly out with the “Not us” messaging as Trump didn’t know what course this would take. Now with the conflict clearly a rout and Iran posing no opposition, Trump wants to swoop in and “lead” what he’ll claim as a great victory.
 
Netanyahu is playing Trump like a fiddle. He's goaded the US into a war of opportunity to remove nuclear capabilities for several years. That's certainly not a bad thing, but we will reap the whirlwind - we are entering fraught and unpredictable times. Absent any willing ground forces - who would supply them? - i would rate regime change as improbable.
 
In addition to his smart comments on the Minnesota shooting, future President Stewart also made a good point about how many times Bibi has cried wolf in the past about Iran.

 
Huh? said:
Netanyahu is playing Trump like a fiddle. He's goaded the US into a war of opportunity to remove nuclear capabilities for several years. That's certainly not a bad thing, but we will reap the whirlwind - we are entering fraught and unpredictable times. Absent any willing ground forces - who would supply them? - i would rate regime change as improbable.
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Iran is such an interesting case. Other than Iran itself and their terrorist proxies around the ME, I don't think there's ANYONE who wants Iran to have a nuke. I am extremely nervous about what's happening right now, but if Israel actually does figure out a way to destroy Fordow, I won't be shedding any tears.

As for regime change, at some point the educated, sophisticated, westernized Iranians we've been hearing about for decades are going to have to stand up. They'll get a lot of help if they do, but it's going to have to start on the streets of Tehran.
 


“… I’m certainly not going to characterize what President Trump says or tweets for that matter. He doesn’t need characterizing. He’s one of the most transparent, one of the most clear individuals that we’ve we’ve known. I think that we can take his word for his word but I’m not going to speculate on in a larger sense what that would mean, uh, that is up to the President. He is the singular guiding hand about what will be occurring uh from this point forward as he has been and uh I think that that dynamic is pretty clear. He says he wants an end as he has said about every conflict that he has as a peacemaker worked to stop peacefully through diplomacy, that has been his commitment and uh he wants these things as he said bout a number of situations not for a month or six months but durable ends to this nature of forever wars and that has been his posture and that’s his posture now.”
 
It's sort of amazing that in one breath she says everything is up to Trump, and then in the next admits that Trump has not actually made any progress toward peace in any conflict. Even Trump says that Putin and Zelensky are the ones shaping that war.
 
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Mohammadi won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2023 for her long fight for women’s rights in Iran and has been imprisoned in Iran for about a decade. Her foundation posts on her behalf from what I’ve read.
 
p5mmr9 said:
. . .. Whether or not the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world has a nuclear weapon is an issue that should interest all of us.
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I think there are some countries in Central America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East that have a different idea on whom the crown of "largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world" should reside.
 
I know everyone here already knows this but Iran is the Golden Ticket of modern geopolitics. It's a country absolutely loaded with natural resources and has a populace that's far more educated than most emerging nations. It's been held back for decades by its theocratic overlords, but an Iran that joins the modern world, even if not in ideal circumstances (think UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.), is a real game-changer. I don't trust Trump and Bibi to make this happen, but if Iran is somehow pulled out of its theocratic dark ages, the world would be a much, much better place for it.
 


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[ a son of the former Shah of Iran — I don’t buy his democratic dream as he has been a monarchist for decades ]
 
Lando said:
So the people who blew them up hard enough to topple their government will be their benefactors? I have a hard time seeing that.
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Israel has blown up Gaza indiscriminately and I would never expect the Palestinians to forgive them. I haven't seen evidence yet that Israel has done the same in Iran. For better or worse, Israel's strikes in Iran appear to be exceptionally targeted and accurate, at least so far.
 
The US should assist Israel in taking out Fordow. Iran is in a weakened state and the West may not have this opportunity again in our lifetime. That should be our focus not regime change - let the Israelis handle that - if they can. Based upon Trump's tweet, the US may have sent an ultimatum to what's left of the military leadership of Iran, to "surrender" or we'll send our bunker buster bomb to destroy Fordow after x days.

I realize there's a potential huge downside in the US actively assisting Israel offensively and there may be blow back but, on balance, I think it's worth it.
 
Ramrouser said:
The US should assist Israel in taking out Fordow. Iran is in a weakened state and the West may not have this opportunity again in our lifetime. That should be our focus not regime change - let the Israelis handle that - if they can. Based upon Trump's tweet, the US may have sent an ultimatum to what's left of the military leadership of Iran, to "surrender" or we'll send our bunker buster bomb to destroy Fordow after x days.

I realize there's a potential huge downside in the US actively assisting Israel offensively and there may be blow back but, on balance, I think it's worth it.
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May not have this opportunity again in our lifetime?

The past 4 days have demonstrated we have that opportunity anytime we want. Iran has had virtually no defense.
 
Lady G still thinks the GQP is a neocon party. It is not...

MTG is a leader of the pro Russian MAGA party in lockstep with our Russian asset who is the DNI.

Is Putin supporting a dismantling of Iran ? I don't think so but those more well versed than I in the current geopolitical Mideast conflict please correct me if I am off base when it comes to Russian relations with Iran.

I don't think Trump will go against his good buddy here.

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