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Israel launches attack on Iran

RaiGuy said:
lol, there is history before 10/7. This would be akin to Russia occupying Ukraine in 1948 and treating them like shit since then and continually occupying them.
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And if the Ukranians launched thousands of missiles at Moscow and then went on a murderous rampage killing every Russian man, woman, and child they could find to the tune of over a thousand dead in a matter of hours, I don't think many people would have a problem with Russia invading.
 
RaiGuy said:
What about human rights? Or does that not count? One country, that you are supporting, is starving over a million people. But that's cool because the ones that are being starved don't matter to you.
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Palestinians and Iranians kill people for being gay. They treat their women like property. Not really into that side.
 
The vast majority of Muslim majority countries in the world have no quarrel or hostility with the united states. "They" don't "hate us." Hostilities emerge from terrorist organizations. Meanwhile, Russia invades multiple sovereign nations, annexes territories, and openly threatens its European neighbors - most of whom are our allies by treaty.
 
RaiGuy said:
That's not true. Hamas was following the ceasefire deadline, but Israel was the one that broke the ceasefire hundreds of times and then decided they didn't want to have it anymore.

And is it a great thing that Israel has a nuclear weapons with an unhinged leader in charge?
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Hamas clearly does not negotiate in good faith - mostly because they have lost the war but they don't want to give up the fight. There is no avenue to save face - so they hold on, accepting martyrdom. The Netanyahu government is not negotiating in good faith either because most of Netanyahu's coalition just wants to clear out Gaza for annexation and future settlement. The war between Gaza and Israel has been a disaster for both sides. There is no win/win here - the fight will drag on until either all of Hamas are killed or all Gazans are relocated. There is no one left to change this situation.
 
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ZZLPHeels said:
And if the Ukranians launched thousands of missiles at Moscow and then went on a murderous rampage killing every Russian man, woman, and child they could find to the tune of over a thousand dead in a matter of hours, I don't think many people would have a problem with Russia invading.
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I'm done with you. You can't comprehend history or analogies.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The world is complex and there are bad people everywhere. I’m an American. We have to choose sides. The vast majority of the Muslim world doesn’t like/trust the US. Israel would never harm the US. It’s pretty simply for most humans. What’s best for me and my safety? Siding with Israel is a clear answer for most Americans. One side hates me. One side doesn’t.
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The USS Liberty vehemently disagrees that Israel would never attack the US.
 
Oh Trump thinks Iran will negotiate now that they've been bombed? Mr. Amazing Dealmaker is hoping that violence will get Iran to sign . . . the same deal Trump ripped up a decade ago, the same one that was achieved by diplomacy alone.

The only way to look at these Iran negotiations is that it's a massive failure by Trump going back a decade.
 
RaiGuy said:
Muslim countries have had more heads of state than the US. It's also funny how you keep focusing on gay rights when you see what MAGA is trying to do to them here in the US. Where is your support for gay rights in the US?
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What’s the answer? I am interested.
I said Palestine and Iran kill people for being gay and treat women like property. You said that’s Islamophobia. I asked if what I said was incorrect. You didn’t answer.

Do Palestine and Iran support gay rights? Do they treat women equally? Should be easy to answer. Just yes or no.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
What’s the answer? I am interested.
I said Palestine and Iran kill people for being gay and treat women like property. You said that’s Islamophobia. I asked if what I said was incorrect. You didn’t answer.

Do Palestine and Iran support gay rights? Do they treat women equally? Should be easy to answer. Just yes or no.
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Don't for get Somalia.... a 99% Sunni Muslim country that performs clitordidectomies on 99% of its women.
 
In Russia v. Ukraine, there’s a bad actor and a good one. Russia is the bad actor.

In Israel v. Hamas there are two bad actors. One might be a 0 on a 0-10 scale and one might be a 0-1. Both are bad.

In Iran v. Israel, it’s two bad actors. Iran’s definitely a zero. In this fight, Israel might comparatively be a two. Israel is still a violent nation that lies and needlessly kills civilians.
 
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