Israel launches attack on Iran

OGtruthhurts said:
we are nothing but animals on a small pebble. animals kill other animals whether it be for food, territory, power, sex, idiotic religions, for sport or just because they can.

always have and always will.
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I believe most other animals coexist better than humans.
 
farce© said:
I'm not sure the bunnies in the park by my house would use the term "coexist" to describe their relationship with the coyote who frequents the park. IMG_3392.jpeg
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But they do, the wolf doesn't kill all of the deer, only enough to survive. Humans have examples of genocide over land... we fight over everything. 😁
 
p5mmr9 said:
Israel is not Iran's only adversary in the region. A nuclear Iran would be a threat to Saudi Arabia,Jordan, Bahrain, the UAE, Kuwait, and Egypt.Some of these are very wealthy nation states that would seek to arm themselves similarly assuming Iran obtained a nuclear weapon. MAD not withstanding - the world would be safer without a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

And even then - the greater threat is one of Iran's non-state actors obtaining some sort of nuclear weapon via Iran and using it against Israel or one of Iran's other enemies. It is just a destabilizing threat in general.
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I know. But those countries are more rivals than enemies, at least as I understand it. I really don't have a problem with the US having a sort of global nuclear umbrella. Anyone who uses a nuke will be nuked by us.

I'm not sure that the non-state actors would be all that interested in using a nuclear weapon per se. They are more likely, in my view, to use a radiological weapon for a number of reasons. If Iran has a whole bunch of near-weapons grade plutonium just sitting around because their labs keep getting bombed, it strikes me that increases the chances of some of that hoard walking out the door.

I'm just thinking out loud. I don't necessarily fully believe any of this.
 
TarSpiel said:
IMO it is incredibly important to continue to draw hard distinctions between the Iranian government and the Iranian people.

The Iranian people should be our allies, and many of them want to be. They are *far* more aligned with the west in terms of culture and values than are Saudi Arabia or any of the Gulf states.
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This X1000
 
farce© said:
I'm not sure the bunnies in the park by my house would use the term "coexist" to describe their relationship with the coyote who frequents the park. IMG_3392.jpeg
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I wish my dog would do that to the Bunnies who eat all of my flowers. Alas, my dog is too old and slow.
 
superrific said:
No you are living proof that propaganda, sociopathy, and arrogance is more dangerous. I'm confident that there was a time in your life when you were not like this ZenMode persona.
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As I said earlier, many Democrats don't take Islamic extremism, and the associated beliefs, seriously. They are like evangelical Christians on steroids. They don't just believe their paradise afterlife is real, they KNOW it's real.


It's why, when asked about the Peshawar school attack, a Taliban supporter said:

“Human life only has value among you worldly materialist thinkers. For us, this human life is only a tiny meaningless fragment of our existence. Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does. Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence, in a world much more beautiful than this. As you know, the (Urdu) word for death is ‘intiqaal.’ It means ‘transfer,’ not 'end'.
 
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lawtig02 said:
I wish NOBODY had nuclear weapons. And I fear every day the fact that the nuclear key is in the hands of the worst human in American history. But just as I have hope that Iranians will eventually prevail over their despotic government, I hope we'll hold on for another 3.5 years until sanity resumes.
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The only solace I can offer on your "worst human in American History" thing is the person about whom you are talking is controlled, body, mind, and soul, by the only other power on Earth that has the sort of nuclear arsenal that could completely destroy the US in it entirety. China could inflect terrible damage on us. But Russia could make the Continential US unlivable.
 
ZenMode said:
As I said earlier, many Democrats don't take Islamic extremism, and the associated beliefs, seriously. They are like evangelical Christians on steroids. They don't just believe their paradise afterlife is real, they KNOW it's real.


It's why, when asked about the Peshawar school attack, a Taliban supporter said:

“Human life only has value among you worldly materialist thinkers. For us, this human life is only a tiny meaningless fragment of our existence. Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does. Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence, in a world much more beautiful than this. As you know, the (Urdu) word for death is ‘intiqaal.’ It means ‘transfer,’ not 'end'.
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I'm sure there are people who don't take Islamic extremism extremely, but why do you think Democrats or liberal voters fit into this category more than Indy or Repub/conservatives?
 
ZenMode said:
Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does. Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence, in a world much more beautiful than this.
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This is no different than what I hear at every Christian funeral I attend...
 
gregh1 said:
I'm sure there are people who don't take Islamic extremism extremely, but why do you think Democrats or liberal voters fit into this category more than Indy or Repub/conservatives?
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Because Democrats, by far, are the ones I hear/see blaming the behavior of terrorists on most anything they can come up with..other than religion.
 
superrific said:
I know. But those countries are more rivals than enemies, at least as I understand it. I really don't have a problem with the US having a sort of global nuclear umbrella. Anyone who uses a nuke will be nuked by us.
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This is fair although the line between "rival" and "enemy" is thin and crossed numerous times - they certainly use proxies against each other in numerous fields of battle. I think the real risk is using a nuclear Iran as pretense for their own nuclear ambitions and thereby creating a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
 

Trump Won’t Sign G7 Statement Calling for Middle East Calm After Mulling Bombing Iran​


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Trump Won’t Sign G7 Statement Calling for Middle East Calm After Mulling Bombing Iran

Trump does not intend to sign the document in Canada alongside his Canadian and European counterparts at the G7 summit in Alberta.
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“… The network’s Kevin Liptak reported that a draft statement affirms Israel’s right to self-defense and opposes Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. It also calls for cooler heads to prevail amid days of Israeli attacks on Iran and Iranian counterstrikes on Israel.

Trump does not intend to sign the document in Canada alongside his Canadian and European counterparts at the summit in Alberta.

… Trump’s reported decision not to sign the document comes just a day after Trump toldABC News he had not ruled out direct military intervention in Iran in support of Israel.

“We’re not involved in it. It’s possible we could get involved,” Trump said on Sunday. “But we are not at this moment involved.”

While Trump has not ruled out using the U.S. military against Iran, he has reportedly urged restraint regarding taking out political leadership in Iran.…”
 
ZenMode said:
Because Democrats, by far, are the ones I hear/see blaming the behavior of terrorists on most anything they can come up with..other than religion.
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When terrorists attack abortion clinics the blame from Dems, by far, is like 99% religion. But even then we call those people radicalized. The bible is their excuse or reason, though the bible doesn't instruct death to abortion providers. Just like the horrific violence in the Crusades wasn't mandated in the first or new testament, i don't think. Similarly violent muslim jihadists are becoming radicalized by factors. The Koran and Bible can both be interpreted radically if you take things out of context and you are pissed-off, disturbed, brain-washed and desperate.
 
gregh1 said:
The Koran and Bible can both be interpreted radically if you take things out of context and you are pissed-off, disturbed, brain-washed and desperate.
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That sounds a lot like making excuses.

I'm not saying there are radicalized people in other religions. I'm saying that Dems, in general, do not take the religious aspect as seriously as they should. They do not understand how much the promise of afterlife plays into the behavior of not only Jihadists, but also a significant number of civilians.
 
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