J6 News Catch-All

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also, anyone guess the odds this was someone already arrested and then pardoned with all the other J6 shitheads?
 
altmin said:
also, anyone guess the odds this was someone already arrested and then pardoned with all the other J6 shitheads?
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Huh, I haven't see the precise wording of the Jan 6th pardons, but it's a legit interesting hypothetical if that wording would immunize the bomber from that act if it was determined to have been committed in conjunction with the Jan 6th protests.
 
Ddseddse said:
Huh, I haven't see the precise wording of the Jan 6th pardons, but it's a legit interesting hypothetical if that wording would immunize the bomber from that act if it was determined to have been committed in conjunction with the Jan 6th protests.
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Doesn't accepting a pardon legally include an admission of guilt and later negate some of your 5th Amendment rights if later questioned about accomplices and such? That's always been my understanding but I sure don't know. If so, there might be some future surprises.
 
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Ddseddse said:
Huh, I haven't see the precise wording of the Jan 6th pardons, but it's a legit interesting hypothetical if that wording would immunize the bomber from that act if it was determined to have been committed in conjunction with the Jan 6th protests.
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I was trying to say what are the chances the bomber became a "tourist" in the Capitol later that day, and thus was already in custody for other J6 related crimes and subsequently pardoned.


I wasn't very clear.
 
altmin said:
I was trying to say what are the chances the bomber became a "tourist" in the Capitol later that day, and thus was already in custody for other J6 related crimes and subsequently pardoned.


I wasn't very clear.
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You were clear. I was just taking the idea and running with it.
 
Ddseddse said:
Huh, I haven't see the precise wording of the Jan 6th pardons, but it's a legit interesting hypothetical if that wording would immunize the bomber from that act if it was determined to have been committed in conjunction with the Jan 6th protests.
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Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I do hereby:​
. . .​
(b) grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021;​
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Query whether the pipe bombs were "related to events that occurred at or near the the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021." In the macro sense, yes. In the micro sense, no.
 
I hate myself for having accidentally used the term "protests" above instead of the more accurate term "violent insurrection". Please consider my post above and all replies to have been amended to the correct verbiage..
 
Before taking the FBI job, Bongino said on his podcast, “I believe the FBI knows the identity of this pipe bomber on January 6, four years ago, and just doesn’t wanna tell us ‘cause it was an inside job.” He also suggested that if the “inside job” allegation were proven to be true, the FBI would claim the bombs were a “training exercise.”

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finesse said:
Doesn't accepting a pardon legally include an admission of guilt and later negate some of your 5th Amendment rights if later questioned about accomplices and such? That's always been my understanding but I sure don't know. If so, there might be some future surprises.
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The first part is an incorrect interpretation of the supreme court ruling that Ford concocted to justify his pardoning on Nixon. It was based on a court case about whether a person could reject a pardon because accepting it would make the person appear guilty. The court accepted this rationale when ruling a person could reject a pardon. The court didn't say the person was accepting guilt. I believe the language used was meant to imply the person would appear guilty. Those are not the same thing. (Lawyers can chime in but from my readings online that seems to be the consensus.)

Court rulings aside, from a practical standpoint, few people who are facing (or especially convicted of) charges for crimes that they did not commit would reject a pardon. It makes no sense to argue they are admitting guilt when accepting the pardon. Also, it would seem perfectly acceptable for a POTUS to pardon someone because it is believed the person was wrongly convicted. So Ford's argument doesn't pass logical scrutiny in my opinion.

On the second part, yes, it would negate some of your 5th amendment rights.
 
“… Brian Cole was identified as the suspect in custody, according to two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter. The arrest marks a breakthrough in a case that has stymied investigators for nearly five years.

In an email, a spokesperson for Prince William County Public Schools confirmed to NBC News that Cole graduated from Hylton High School in 2013. The spokesperson, Diana Gulotta, declined to comment further.

The suspect’s step-grandfather, Earl Donnette, said in a brief phone call that he spoke with the FBI about his step-grandson, but declined to comment further. Cole’s father, Brian Cole Sr., declined to comment.…”

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Suspect arrested in January 5 DC pipe bomb case

The bombs were planted outside the Republican and Democratic national party headquarters in Washington, D.C., on the eve of the Jan. 6 siege on the Capitol.
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nycfan said:
There are a lot of Brian Coles living in VA so taking down the one tweet pending confirmation of who was arrested.

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Can't wait to read about how they got this guy. Assuming he's guilty of course. And if he's not guilty, I can't wait to read about how they screwed up.
 
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