Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

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Calheel said:
I’d take ChatGPT as President over Trump. It’s not like Trump is even reading those executive orders he signs. He is “running” the country about as much as a zombie runs the country. He just talks into a microphone and has his underlings send a few truths every day. He doesn’t actually do anything. The Herritage Foundation is running the country far more than Trump.
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And have you listened to some of his speeches lately? He's getting worse quickly. But the cult probably likes that.

The speech about drug cost was comedy gold. And this is a policy that I support. But the speech. 🤪
 
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If anyone is wondering where this is coming from, it's a new book by Jake Tapper and a reporter from axios, Alex Thompson, “Original Sin: President Biden’s Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again,”.

One of the quotes in the book is from senior Democratic lawmakers right after the debate, "who the hell is running the country?" which I assume is where the memes are coming from.

Basically, the crux of the book is they did interviews with about 200 Democratic Insiders and people were seeing signs of Biden's cognitive and physical decline for a couple years but White House staff and Biden family members kept insisting that he was fine.

"The facts certainly point to Biden’s staff having more strategically protected him from public view after the midterms, when he increasingly struggled to handle the basic duties of the presidency. If his mental state was bad, he was in just as rough shape physically — aides were reportedly mulling using a wheelchair to transport him if he won a second term."

 
gtyellowjacket said:
If anyone is wondering where this is coming from, it's a new book by Jake Tapper and a reporter from axios, Alex Thompson, “Original Sin: President Biden’s Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again,”.

One of the quotes in the book is from senior Democratic lawmakers right after the debate, "who the hell is running the country?" which I assume is where the memes are coming from.

Basically, the crux of the book is they did interviews with about 200 Democratic Insiders and people were seeing signs of Biden's cognitive and physical decline for a couple years but White House staff and Biden family members kept insisting that he was fine.

"The facts certainly point to Biden’s staff having more strategically protected him from public view after the midterms, when he increasingly struggled to handle the basic duties of the presidency. If his mental state was bad, he was in just as rough shape physically — aides were reportedly mulling using a wheelchair to transport him if he won a second term."

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I think pretty much everyone here is aware of that and nothing in Tapper's book is a surprise. I've been mad as hell at Biden's team ever since the first debate. They lied to us and that's inexcusable. He was in no condition to run for a second term and he and his team handed the election to Trump by hiding him and lying to the press.

None of that excuses the people who voted for the worst human in the history of this country to become president for a second time, but I have zero interest in defending Biden or his team. They assured us he was ok, but anyone who watched that debate knew we were being gaslighted. I'm not sure why Republicans can't recognize how they're being gaslighted every single day, but those of us who can see it shouldn't just accept it. It doesn't have to be this way.
 
lawtig02 said:
I think pretty much everyone here is aware of that and nothing in Tapper's book is a surprise. I've been mad as hell at Biden's team ever since the first debate. They lied to us and that's inexcusable. He was in no condition to run for a second term and he and his team handed the election to Trump by hiding him and lying to the press.

None of that excuses the people who voted for the worst human in the history of this country to become president for a second time, but I have zero interest in defending Biden or his team. They assured us he was ok, but anyone who watched that debate knew we were being gaslighted. I'm not sure why Republicans can't recognize how they're being gaslighted every single day, but those of us who can see it shouldn't just accept it. It doesn't have to be this way.
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To me it sounds like a failure of the 25th amendment. If Biden was so obviously in decline, the Cabinet heads would have known but they didn't remove him because they didn't want to lose their jobs. During the first Trump term, we got rumblings for the 25th but it didn't happen then either.

But I don't know of a better way to do it. Who should Americans trust to make the decision quickly enough to matter where there wouldn't be the potential of some politically motivated pressure on the president? No matter who you choose or what group you choose, there's always the potential of a threat like "Mr President, you need to enact this policy that you don't like or I will remove you from office for being unfit to serve."
 
gtyellowjacket said:
To me it sounds like a failure of the 25th amendment. If Biden was so obviously in decline, the Cabinet heads would have known but they didn't remove him because they didn't want to lose their jobs. During the first Trump term, we got rumblings for the 25th but it didn't happen then either.
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If you can figure out how the 25th actually works, you'd answer your own question. And note that Cabinet heads would not necessarily have known. Most of them meet with the president only intermittently.
 
The “revelations” over the last few days about Biden not being up to it is a nothing burger to anyone with sense. It was clear to anyone with eyes that Biden had cognitive decline early into his term. It is a fair question to ask who was running the country but since we have had Trump-Biden-Trump, it’s pretty clear that the government runs itself.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It is a fair question to ask who was running the country but since we have had Trump-Biden-Trump, it’s pretty clear that the government runs itself.
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Um, you know that the president isn't actually involved with the day to day operation of the government. So yeah, the government -- like any large organization -- runs itself. Who's been running Tesla? They are still producing cars, correct?

IOW It is not a fair question to ask who was running the country. That's a misleading question of zero relevance and a lot of rhetorical question begging.

There are fair questions to ask about the presidents' mental acuities but "who is running the country" is not remotely an insightful way to do it.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The “revelations” over the last few days about Biden not being up to it is a nothing burger to anyone with sense. It was clear to anyone with eyes that Biden had cognitive decline early into his term. It is a fair question to ask who was running the country but since we have had Trump-Biden-Trump, it’s pretty clear that the government runs itself.
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Honestly this is just revisionist nonsense. I guess someone might say that semantically the president doesn't directly run the country and someone might decide to hold on to that argument while hurling insults or writing long pedantic screeds about why he is correct.

But that's not the same as it doesn't really matter who the president is because the country runs itself. It matters. I don't particularly want Trump in there but I also don't want someone in obvious cognitive decline.
 
If Biden was not "running the country " , then I would be interested to know who was running the country and reestablished good relationships with our allies, implemented a Covid vaccine program that corrected the previous administration's botched management of Covid, and then handed Trump a golden economy that was the envy of the world.

Someone should write a book about that guy who was actually "running the country". That would be a book that I would enjoy reading.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't particularly want Trump in there but I also don't want someone in obvious cognitive decline.
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and you think trump isn't in obvious cognitive decline?!

go watch some content from his first campaign and first term and compare it to now.

the difference is STARK. he's never been a wordsmith but his speaking has steadily declined over the years into barely coherent.
 
heelinhell said:
If Biden was not "running the country " , then I would be interested to know who was running the country and reestablished good relationships with our allies, implemented a Covid vaccine program that corrected the previous administration's botched management of Covid, and then handed Trump a golden economy that was the envy of the world.

Someone should write a book about that guy who was actually "running the country". That would be a book that I would enjoy reading.
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I suspect you will get at least a dozen of those books in the next couple of years.

Likely candidates are Jill Biden, Anthony Bernal, and Annie Tomasini.

I did see a quote from one cabinet official that said that Jill and her top aides would still ask Biden for a decision but would shape the issue in a way that it really wasn't much of a decision. So effectively, they were making the decisions and getting a rubber stamp from Joe. And they would severely limit Joe's access to most cabinet officials and other White House staff during the latter half of the term.
 
4thgenheel said:
and you think trump isn't in obvious cognitive decline?!

go watch some content from his first campaign and first term and compare it to now.

the difference is STARK. he's never been a wordsmith but his speaking has steadily declined over the years into barely coherent.
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I suspect he is just based on his age. I also think the clips are taken out of context. He doesn't do a lot of interviews but if you look at his interview on Joe Rogan he sounds pretty with it and that was only a few months ago.

Now pretty with it and a competent and effective president who is making the right decisions are two different things. In other words, I think he's probably slower but okay cognitively but I wouldn't want him as president as a 50-year-old.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Honestly this is just revisionist nonsense. I guess someone might say that semantically the president doesn't directly run the country and someone might decide to hold on to that argument while hurling insults or writing long pedantic screeds about why he is correct.

But that's not the same as it doesn't really matter who the president is because the country runs itself. It matters. I don't particularly want Trump in there but I also don't want someone in obvious cognitive decline.
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Yet, now you have both.
 
lawtig02 said:
I think pretty much everyone here is aware of that and nothing in Tapper's book is a surprise. I've been mad as hell at Biden's team ever since the first debate. They lied to us and that's inexcusable. He was in no condition to run for a second term and he and his team handed the election to Trump by hiding him and lying to the press.

None of that excuses the people who voted for the worst human in the history of this country to become president for a second time, but I have zero interest in defending Biden or his team. They assured us he was ok, but anyone who watched that debate knew we were being gaslighted. I'm not sure why Republicans can't recognize how they're being gaslighted every single day, but those of us who can see it shouldn't just accept it. It doesn't have to be this way.
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ALL THIS
 
UNCatTech said:
And have you listened to some of his speeches lately? He's getting worse quickly. But the cult probably likes that.

The speech about the drug cost was comedy gold. And this is a policy that I support. But the speech. 🤪
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Repeating from my May 2nd post…our “dear leader” is nearing entry into a “graveyard spiral ” to madness. The POTUS can not assemble a group of simple words to form a coherent sentence. The ground is coming up fast and we all are on board!
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I suspect you will get at least a dozen of those books in the next couple of years.

Likely candidates are Jill Biden, Anthony Bernal, and Annie Tomasini.

I did see a quote from one cabinet official that said that Jill and her top aides would still ask Biden for a decision but would shape the issue in a way that it really wasn't much of a decision. So effectively, they were making the decisions and getting a rubber stamp from Joe. And they would severely limit Joe's access to most cabinet officials and other White House staff during the latter half of the term.
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So maybe the Dems should have nominated Jill Biden if she actually was the architect of the most successful first term presidency in the last 56 years ?
 
heelinhell said:
So maybe the Dems should have nominated Jill Biden if she actually was the architect of the most successful first term presidency in the last 56 years ?
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Maybe. Couldn't have done worse than Kamala.

I actually think that wouldn't have been a horrible idea. Someone could have come to her and say Joe is not going to make it through another campaign. Let's put you in a primary where you are basically the incumbent, and go for it. That preserves Joe's legacy and we have a primary process to see if she (and Kamala) can stand up to Trump.

She's not a politician but she has been a politician's wife for decades. It might have worked.
 
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