Joe Biden Was NOT running the country

Poor John Kerry. He had 20 years of experience as a Senator and won four elections when he won the nomination for President, but to some people he'll always be the junior senator from Massachusetts.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Maybe. Couldn't have done worse than Kamala.

I actually think that wouldn't have been a horrible idea. Someone could have come to her and say Joe is not going to make it through another campaign. Let's put you in a primary where you are basically the incumbent, and go for it. That preserves Joe's legacy and we have a primary process to see if she (and Kamala) can stand up to Trump.

She's not a politician but she has been a politician's wife for decades. It might have worked.
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Of course they could have done worse than Harris, they could have ran you and Zen.


😁

Or me, that would have guaranteed a loss.
 
UNCatTech said:
Then why would someone suggest she would have been a better choice?

If she doesn't have a better resume, what's the difference?
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My apologies for making jokes that are only funny in my own head. Meant that as a sort of lefthanded reference to the complexion differences. Melanin references are having a rough week.

But oh, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
 
finesse said:
My apologies for making jokes that are only funny in my own head. Meant that as a sort of lefthanded reference to the complexion differences. Melanin references are having a rough week.

But oh, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
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Damn man, sorry, see it now. :)

I've always been weak on picking up the sarcasm.
 
Zoo_View said:
John Kerry was a junior senator when he won the nomination.

He had negative charisma and was awkward as hell…..he was not a good candidate for POTUS.

Democrats stupidly thought his Vietnam War experience mattered and would elevate him above Dubya.
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The Dems went for Republicans’ bait in that one. When Gore was running for president, before he picked his running mate, many Pubs said they feared Kerry the most as a potential running mate. So Dems bit in the next election and put Kerry up there.

One of Kerry’s problems was that he was incredibly timid and overly cautious. He was frightened to say anything that could be deemed as bold and was scared to come out of his shell.

Also, to this day… or at least as of very recently… Dems have made the error of assuming that a Dem candidate’s military service will matter to voters.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Maybe. Couldn't have done worse than Kamala.

I actually think that wouldn't have been a horrible idea. Someone could have come to her and say Joe is not going to make it through another campaign. Let's put you in a primary where you are basically the incumbent, and go for it. That preserves Joe's legacy and we have a primary process to see if she (and Kamala) can stand up to Trump.

She's not a politician but she has been a politician's wife for decades. It might have worked.
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Icky Mettle said:
The Dems went for Republicans’ bait in that one. When Gore was running for president, before he picked his running mate, many Pubs said they feared Kerry the most as a potential running mate. So Dems bit in the next election and put Kerry up there.

One of Kerry’s problems was that he was incredibly timid and overly cautious. He was frightened to say anything that could be deemed as bold and was scared to come out of his shell.

Also, to this day… or at least as of very recently… Dems have made the error of assuming that a Dem candidate’s military service will matter to voters.
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and yet, if Ken Blackwell had not suppressed the Democratic vote in Ohio using several methods, then Kerry would have won the election.

I still remember how Tucker Carlson was so depressed when the Crossfire Show was going over the Ohio exit polls. Little did he know at the time that Blackwell had successfully saved GWB
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Maybe. Couldn't have done worse than Kamala.

I actually think that wouldn't have been a horrible idea. Someone could have come to her and say Joe is not going to make it through another campaign. Let's put you in a primary where you are basically the incumbent, and go for it. That preserves Joe's legacy and we have a primary process to see if she (and Kamala) can stand up to Trump.

She's not a politician but she has been a politician's wife for decades. It might have worked.
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The process by which she was coronated as the Dem candidate rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, I believe. However, if you're going to coronate someone, why would you pick Harris? I know she was VP, but she was also awkward, not a good public speaker and had a lot of baggage in her past that someone, or many someones, on the Dem side had to have called out.
 
I think her biggest baggage was that she is a woman of color. Frankly, I was impressed by her work in the impeachment proceedings where she showed sharpness of mind and eloquence in her language. If anything from my point of view she was too centrist but I never figure that is a negative because I understand that I will seldom if ever be able to vote for a winning candidate that is far enough to the left for my thinking.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
A primary might have told us quite a bit.
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A primary told us all we needed to know about Trump and morons still clamored to vote for him.

Jill Biden might have been awesome. That's not really the point. The point is that Harris was a more than qualified candidate. People who cast their vote for Donald Trump, while saying stupid shit like Harris slept her way to the top of elected positions, told on themselves. And maybe every Trump voter isn't a racist piece of shit. But he couldn't have won without the racist piece of shit portion of the electorate. And those people will never vote for a black woman. No matter what her qualifications are/were.
 
dukeman92 said:
A primary told us all we needed to know about Trump and morons still clamored to vote for him.

Jill Biden might have been awesome. That's not really the point. The point is that Harris was a more than qualified candidate. People who cast their vote for Donald Trump, while saying stupid shit like Harris slept her way to the top of elected positions, told on themselves. And maybe every Trump voter isn't a racist piece of shit. But he couldn't have won without the racist piece of shit portion of the electorate. And those people will never vote for a black woman. No matter what her qualifications are/were.
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racism and misogyny FTW.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The Dems went for Republicans’ bait in that one. When Gore was running for president, before he picked his running mate, many Pubs said they feared Kerry the most as a potential running mate. So Dems bit in the next election and put Kerry up there.

One of Kerry’s problems was that he was incredibly timid and overly cautious. He was frightened to say anything that could be deemed as bold and was scared to come out of his shell.

Also, to this day… or at least as of very recently… Dems have made the error of assuming that a Dem candidate’s military service will matter to voters.
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True. It's one of the main reasons why NC and DC Democrats backed Cal Cunningham for US Senate in 2020.
 
dukeman92 said:
A primary told us all we needed to know about Trump and morons still clamored to vote for him.

Jill Biden might have been awesome. That's not really the point. The point is that Harris was a more than qualified candidate. People who cast their vote for Donald Trump, while saying stupid shit like Harris slept her way to the top of elected positions, told on themselves. And maybe every Trump voter isn't a racist piece of shit. But he couldn't have won without the racist piece of shit portion of the electorate. And those people will never vote for a black woman. No matter what her qualifications are/were.
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The notion that Harris & Trump were somehow equally unqualified or noxious candidates is one of the biggest lies Trumpers tell themselves (and the same goes with Hillary). By nearly every objective, real-world metric Harris was vastly more qualified than Donald Freaking Trump to be POTUS. Of course she wasn't perfect (who is?) but Trump is so much worse by nearly every standard that it is a joke to argue otherwise.

If Harris had been elected none of the shit we're going through right now would be happening, period. Trumpers can claim whatever the hell they want regarding their vote, but she lost because first, she's a woman of color, second, she's from California, a state Trumpers love to hate, and third, she was a vice-president in an unpopular administration. Things like inflation were nothing more than an excuse for them to do what they were already going to do. The fact that her opponent had a failed first-term presidency, that nearly every leading member of his first administration openly said he wasn't qualified or possessed the character and temperament to be president again, that he openly said he would raise tariffs and spent most of his campaign rambling incoherently like a drooling fool at rallies didn't matter a whit to his adoring cult supporters, because the Donald Trump they believe they support doesn't exist and never has.

All they knew - based on Dear Leader's insults and Fox News and other right-wing media (including much of legacy media), and word of mouth they likely heard at their church - was that Kamala Harris was a feminist woman of color from that liberal hellhole of California who slept her way to the top and had a weird first name and supported kids changing their gender like that Trump TV commercial they saw and she symbolized all of those snooty overeducated blue-state snobs who look down on people like them. And, conversely, that Dear Leader really cared about people like them (lol) and he wouldn't do anything too stupid if he got elected and he surely wouldn't do anything that would hurt them personally. And so here we are.
 
ZenMode said:
The process by which she was coronated as the Dem candidate rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, I believe. However, if you're going to coronate someone, why would you pick Harris? I know she was VP, but she was also awkward, not a good public speaker and had a lot of baggage in her past that someone, or many someones, on the Dem side had to have called out.
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Are you two serious?

Considering the timing, who else was a viable choice?

I don't believe anyone else was risking their political career for a short rushed candidacy.
Please like these call outs from Dems regarding her baggage. No one perfect, she didn't have any baggage that would have been disqualified, in my opinion.

Also, while you are at it, provide a list of potential candidates that were chomping at the bit for the opportunity

Also, how would you have avoided the "corination"? How would you have negotiated the obstacles to have a national vote in that short a period of time?
 
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