Mack Brown (not) gone (yet)

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Peppers49 said:
I can’t stand the mentality that Mack being better than Torbush/Bunting/Fedora at the end somehow gives him a pass. Who gives a frick if he has technically has a winning % 1 or 2 points higher than the programs all time record? To me that’s such a nonsensical way to look at the situation.
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It’s just a way of sounding nice while making excuses for being dogshit.
 
SnoopRob said:
I agree and the fact that Mack made the team console him and pump him up after such a thoroughly embarrassing loss is why he should be retired when he wakes up tomorrow morning, whether by his choice or the PTB’s.
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Once again, how do you know this is how it went down?
 
Peppers49 said:
I guess, but why even bring it up at all? I just don’t see any benefit.
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Who knows. I think they were fucking embarrassed and hurting. Perhaps he wanted to give them solace in knowing that if he can't get things to improve then he will move aside letting someone else give it a try. I also don't even know if that is indeed what happened, or if it went down like a few here are insisting it did.
 
shonuff said:
conference record last few years

2018 - 3-5
2019 - 3-5
2020 - 1-9
2021 - 0-8
2022 - 5-3
2023 - 4-4

Not decent IMO. Mediocre to bad to awful historically. Tiny fanbase and probably spends 60% on football what unc does. Maybe they will be good this year but as a program they are not much to talk about and rarely favored in a conference game. They have played us close the last two years for sure but the two years before that were beatings.
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I didn’t realize how many points those teams would score in this years game. The fact that you think North Carolina spends at least 40% more on it’s football program to get the results you’ve gotten is sad.

Oh, and Duke is a 3.5 point favorite Saturday. That is still a conference game, isn’t it?

Good luck, this weekend.
 
circlesky88 said:
In my opinion Fedora and Mack 2.0 are almost exactly the same. Their record after 69 games is identical …41-28. Both have an ACC Championship game appearance. Both started off in the hole..Fedora had to manage the NCAA mess, Mack had to manage the fallout of the last two horrible Fedora season. Both gave up 70 points in a game. Both had horrible defensive play.
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Fedora swung a way better sledgehammer.
 
Peppers49 said:
Are you saying that it’s past our limits as a football program to not let a team like JMU hang 70 points on us at home?
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It's not the first time we allowed a team to score 70 points. ECU beat us 70-41 in 2014, but that's not the point.

My point is that we have a 100 year history of being a 7-5 football program. Expecting double digit wins and a top 10 finish every year is failing to recognize the limitations of our program as evidenced by 100 years of data.
 
heelinhell said:
It's not the first time we allowed a team to score 70 points. ECU beat us 70-41 in 2014, but that's not the point.

My point is that we have a 100 year history of being a 7-5 football program. Expecting double digit wins and a top 10 finish every year is failing to recognize the limitations of our program as evidenced by 100 years of data.
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I don’t think expecting double digit wins and and top 10 finishes every year is reasonable for almost any program and don’t think that’s what anyone here expects. I think it is reasonable to expect us to do better than we have done over the course of the past 25+ years. I think it is reasonable to expect that for roughly every 5 seasons, we have at least one season with double digit wins and are at least in the conversation of being a team that is deserving of a top 10 ranking at the end of the season. And that for at about 3 out of every 5 seasons we have a top-25 finish, or are at least getting top 25 votes at the end of the season. And that those other 2 out of 5 years, we still finish above .500. Even if that is not what UNC football has been, it is reasonable to expect it to become as such. And there have been times where it has been like that.
 
heelinhell said:
It's not the first time we allowed a team to score 70 points. ECU beat us 70-41 in 2014, but that's not the point.

My point is that we have a 100 year history of being a 7-5 football program. Expecting double digit wins and a top 10 finish every year is failing to recognize the limitations of our program as evidenced by 100 years of data.
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The thing is there shouldn't be that kind of limitations on the football program with the resources and name recognition that UNC has. Mack just had two back to back generational talents at QB that were wasted because they didn't and still don't have a defense. UNC had the program in the right direction with Butch Davis and then they made him the scapegoat and got rid of him instead of standing up to the NCAA. It's been a struggle since finding the right leadership for the program.
 
dukeman92 said:
I didn’t realize how many points those teams would score in this years game. The fact that you think North Carolina spends at least 40% more on it’s football program to get the results you’ve gotten is sad.

Oh, and Duke is a 3.5 point favorite Saturday. That is still a conference game, isn’t it?

Good luck, this weekend.
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I know a lot of UNC fans can't or won't be objective when it comes to Duke, but I will be- primarily because I loathe NC State- not Duke- and also because I just have a lot of respect for Duke University itself. What Duke has done to invest in their football program over the last 5-10 years is really impressive, IMO. The Yoh Football Center, the indoor practice facility, and the completely reimagined Wallace Wade Stadium are all fantastic. The gameday experience there is lightyears- and I do mean lightyears- ahead of what it was 10, 15, 20+ years ago. My very first in-person college football game ever was at Wallace Wade as a middle schooler in 2001- one of my school friends' grandparents had Duke season tickets and took us to a game against Florida State. And at that time, even as a middle schooler, it was apparent to me that Wallace Wade was a dump- the track around the field looked amateurish, the concourse was awful, the seating was bad, the crowd was sparse, etc.

It might as well be a completely different stadium now. The concourse is fantastic, the individual seatbacks are great, the concessions are really good, the whole gameday experience is excellent. And the new Blue Devil Tower premium seating area is as nice as any in the country, IMO. I would argue that Duke has done just as much to invest in their football program over the last 10 years as Carolina has, and maybe more so.
 
heelinhell said:
It's not the first time we allowed a team to score 70 points. ECU beat us 70-41 in 2014, but that's not the point.

My point is that we have a 100 year history of being a 7-5 football program. Expecting double digit wins and a top 10 finish every year is failing to recognize the limitations of our program as evidenced by 100 years of data.
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Who is expecting double digit wins and top ten finishes every year? That’s the strawiest straw man that ever strawed.
 
UNC typically loses a couple of games a year to less talented teams. Wake Forest, Duke, Ga Tech, ECU, UVa, etc. have less overall talent than UNC year in-year out. How about winning the games they should win, and when they get beat by teams equal to or better than them talent-wise we can live with that? Getting embarrassed at home by the likes of JMU is unacceptable, period. It happens every year with some inferior team. Mack has to own that, and all he ever has to offer is platitudes.
 
CFordUNC said:
I know a lot of UNC fans can't or won't be objective when it comes to Duke, but I will be- primarily because I loathe NC State- not Duke- and also because I just have a lot of respect for Duke University itself. What Duke has done to invest in their football program over the last 5-10 years is really impressive, IMO. The Yoh Football Center, the indoor practice facility, and the completely reimagined Wallace Wade Stadium are all fantastic. The gameday experience there is lightyears- and I do mean lightyears- ahead of what it was 10, 15, 20+ years ago. My very first in-person college football game ever was at Wallace Wade as a middle schooler in 2001- one of my school friends' grandparents had Duke season tickets and took us to a game against Florida State. And at that time, even as a middle schooler, it was apparent to me that Wallace Wade was a dump- the track around the field looked amateurish, the concourse was awful, the seating was bad, the crowd was sparse, etc.

It might as well be a completely different stadium now. The concourse is fantastic, the individual seatbacks are great, the concessions are really good, the whole gameday experience is excellent. And the new Blue Devil Tower premium seating area is as nice as any in the country, IMO. I would argue that Duke has done just as much to invest in their football program over the last 10 years as Carolina has, and maybe more so.
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As someone who has gone to Wallace Wade since he was a whipper, you’re 💯 correct. The game day experience is actually a game day experience now. The concourse used to resemble a barren county fair. The pee troughs were awful and the football was worse. Duke neglected football for a long time… the last several years have been more than I could have ever asked for twenty years ago.
 
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